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Hi Fellow Cards Lovers,

Finix here behalf of Skymember Presents would like to share with you our signature playing cards "Olympians." As per name stated, the playing cards theme is based on Greek mythology. It is more than a deck. A true masterpiece from the mind of Austin Ho. Over 5 years in making, at last, we are proud and excited to bring you all "Olympians." We will launch our very first Kickstarter campaign in this week! With your all support, we firmly believe our project will come to the life. We will share everything during the campaign. From the design concept to illustration to production even the story of the theme. We hope you guys will love it as much as we do.

The availability for this playing cards is set as ULTRA LIMITED. We will not sell this or distribute this playing cards to any parties even the campaign is succeeding. Only available via Kickstarter. So far, this is what I can share with you guys right now. Below I had attached some photos for you guys. Remember to tune in for more! We will reveal everything during the campaign.

Disclaimer: The featured deck(not include tuck case) in the photos were prototype decks from Make Playing Cards. Therefore, the final product will have HUGE IMPROVEMENT IN THE QUALITY. We will reveal the color code used in this playing cards during the campaign so you guys can expect what the actual color would be.

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Fully customized tuck case. Everything starts from scratch. Featuring CURIOUS METALLICS CHOCOLATE paper; one of the highest quality paper.
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Featuring 3 metallics color on the back.
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Are you a follower of Apollo?
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Or a follower of Artemis?
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What is the back design supposed to be? Are Apollo and Artemis the Jokers? It's 2018 too so why not change the date?

Who will be printing these? And if they are ULTRA LIMITED why have a Kickstarter when anyone can pledge for a deck unless the cost per deck will be so high and you print a small amount.

Sounds like you are trying to hype these up in my opinion, sorry.
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Hi RichK,

Thank you for letting us know your thoughts! No apologizes is need! We appreciated your feedback.

What is the back design supposed to be?
There is a story behind this playing cards and yes we will share the story during the campaign. We will present them in Kickstarter where their presentation platform is really good.

Are Apollo and Artemis the Jokers?
Yes! Apollo and Artemis are the jokers meanwhile they are part of court cards too! Curious about it? The full story will be shared during the campaign!

It's 2018 too so why not change the date?
That is really good questions. Although we initially thoughts to revise the years however we stick back to 2017. Reason being is, Olympians playing cards was voted as our signature among our achieve in 2017.

Who will be printing these?
USPCC.

If they are ULTRA LIMITED why have a Kickstarter when anyone can pledge for a deck unless the cost per deck will be so high and you print a small amount.
This is a very interesting question and I definitely need to give you a clear and reasonable answer. With our current relationship with Murphy's Magic Supplies, we can easily get our decks to be produced and distributed by them. No need to go with Kickstarter. And yes, we have two playing cards Multiverse and Blood Amber which were produced by USPCC and will be released in early March and April with Murphy's Magic. These playing cards no need involve Kickstarter.

Why Olympians was voted as our signature series among our achieve in 2017 is because of the art and the story. Every drawing and design has it meaning. It has a VERY INTERESTING STORY. For us it more than a deck. A true masterpiece. To be honest, as many people know the cost per deck itself is not expensive. It roughly the same no matter which printer would be. However, what makes us need to go with Kickstarter is quantity. With the strong competition among the printer, the minimum order quantity of the deck itself was reduced to 1000. Here, we don't have the big issue. What makes us struggling is the box manufacturing and the artbook.

-To optimize the elegant of the box, we decided to proceed with Curious Metallics Chocolate. If you are not in the printing industries, you hard to imagine how special this paper is. This paper is ONE OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY however, the difficulty and failure rate to print with this paper is really high. E.g. by printing 1500 unit, the printer needs to print 2500 unit as during the productions there will have many failure products. This is also one of the reasons why so many manufacturers refuse to print with this paper. With god blessing, we found a manufacturer in Malaysia where they can do it. However, it is so expensive as if we want to print 2500 unit, they have to charge us 4000 unit fee.
Following by the tuck case design. The tuck case is not standard tuck case. It is FULLY CUSTOMIZED. The tuck case layout is originally from the mind of Austin Ho. His full time is working as printing specialist. With his rich experiences, he successfully developed a unique tuck case. With such unique layout, a mold is required. This will increase the cost of production dramatically.
-The decks will be printed by USPCC and the tuck case will be printed in Malaysia. Therefore, we need to import the decks from the USA then repack them then only can shipping back. This will increase the cost per deck.

-Above is not critical enough. We will publish Olympians artwork in HARDCOVER! The artworks are the original design and it is different with the playing cards. In the artbook, Austin shares the story behind the court cards and the ace. Printing book is different with playing cards. We have no idea what the demand is. The production fee for the book is really expensive, especially it is hardcover and even the papers in the artwork book are metallic paper! It is not only expensive but also there is minimum order quantity need to fulfill. Although it is so expensive, however, we still wish every pledger will get themselves an artbook, therefore we will reduce the hardcover artbook price where it will be affordable for everyone. It is really good! Here I had attached an image where you will have some idea what kind of artwork we will including. With the crowdfunding from you all, we can get offset the expenses from either party. To be an example, if the artbook doesn't have much demand we can use the profits from the decks to cover the productions for the artbook.

After long explanations, I hope you will have an idea what we are doing. What I can say is, we will share everything on Kickstarter. We hope you all will enjoy them and support us! We hope Olympians Playing Cards will deserve a place in your heart! Once again, Thank You!

Feel free to ask if you have any questions. I will try my best to reply asap.

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Thanks for your well explained response. I'll look for the Kickstarter when you launch.
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You are welcome! Thank you for your warm support.
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I like what I see so far. I would like to see more soon. You have my curiosity.
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Hi Rapylatassu,

Thank you for showing interested! We appreciated your kind words. Follow us on IG @skymember_presents for more info! We will post daily until we launch them. Trust me, you will definitely like this more and feel our passion for this project after reading the full story.

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There already is a thread for this, however all the pictures are behind links on it, so it's nice to see those pictures without extra hassle

As for the cards, I quite like them. But that price... 30 USD per deck! They must be trippin... Well, at least the shipping is free, that's something I guess?
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that's right - can this be moved; sorry 'bout that :)
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Tuck : Very, very nice.
Faces: Good.
Back Design: Not bad.
Price: Terrible.
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agreed tuck is super nice... but the price make it such an easy pass...
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the design of the actual tuck I'm not crazy about; but the book-style construction is super neat and would love to see this taken further maybe in a fairy tales or classic novel themed deck

The campaign is well done, but the cards are just not for me.
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I really do like these cards, definitely up my alley, but they must have been smoking something when they came up with that price. 'Ultra limited'? They're just the usual amount of limited for a kickstarter. Metallic inks and foil on the tuck? Well for comparison House of the Rising Spade has foil on both freaking sides of every card, two foils and embossing on the tuck, and cost LESS including shipping. If I was flush with cash, maybe, but hell no.
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I am disturbed by this comment:

"I'm curious about the durability of the cards - would these work for a deck of everyday playing cards (not for show / magic tricks?) or would we need to sleeve them to protect them?"

Does anyone actually sleeve playing cards..? This is horrifying to think about.
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Hi All,

First, we want to thank you to PipChick for updating this post before us. This saved our time. No worries for the comment, we are open to hearing and receive feedback from the community. Here I would like to clarify things one by one.

Räpylätassu:
As for the cards, I quite like them. But that price... 30 USD per deck! They must be trippin... Well, at least the shipping is free, that's something I guess?
-If you see the add-on list, our per deck price is about 25 USD. ~$5.00 is for international shipping.
As a premium and collectables card, we do believe we set the price is reasonable and fair enough. Here what makes the deck so unique.
*Ultra Limited in quantity and availability. (Only up to 2500 decks and not for sale in the future including our main page).
*Premium Thin Crush Stock (Bee Stock with the thinner crushed process).
*Various Metallic Inks (more than regular collectables cards).
*Featuring Curious Metallics Chocolate Tuck Case. One of the highest quality paper we haven't seen in the playing cards industry. You can read more about our Kickstarter campaign for more info. We did explain the reason why we need crowdfunding.

We have bundle decks in three and six quantity. If you wish to save money, we strongly recommend you to ask your friends and group buying. However, please note that if you do so, we will only credit the backer in one person name in our "The Art of Olympians." Feel free to let us know your thoughts either on this forum or our social platform. We will continue improving our services to serve you better.

TwoPieceFeed:
Tuck: Very, very nice.
Faces: Good.
Back Design: Not bad.
Price: Terrible.
-I do believe, the reply above answered your concern.

akicer:
agreed tuck is super nice... but the price makes it such an easy pass...
-We are sorry to hear that, however, we believe our deck worth the proposed price.

PipChick
the design of the actual tuck I'm not crazy about, but the book-style construction is super neat and would love to see this taken further maybe in a fairy tales or classic novel themed deck

The campaign is well done, but the cards are just not for me.
-We are sorry to hear that for this round, you have to pass the campaign. Stay tuned to us, we are going to release our standard playing cards via Murphy's Magic near soon. We expecting to release them in a week of 15th April.

Adonael:
I really do like these cards, definitely up my alley, but they must have been smoking something when they came up with that price. 'Ultra limited'? They're just the usual amount of limited for a kickstarter. Metallic inks and foil on the tuck? Well for comparison House of the Rising Spade has foil on both freaking sides of every card, two foils and embossing on the tuck, and cost LESS including shipping. If I was flush with cash, maybe, but hell no.
-Fortunately, we are not the smokers. We are sad to hear that you are comparing us with House of the Rising Spade. Each of us has our style and beauty. We are going after different things and strategy. For us, we are going to print the artbook in Linen Hardcover and metallic pages. This also become one of the factors when we determine the price. Wherever possible, we hope you will your value time to read the full story of our campaign and try to understand why we will come out this price. Our company is formed by young man, however it doesn't stop us from continue improving our productivity. Hope this helps.

TwoPieceFeed:
"I'm curious about the durability of the cards - would these work for a deck of everyday playing cards (not for show / magic tricks?) or would we need to sleeve them to protect them?"
Does anyone actually sleeve playing cards..? This is horrifying to think about.
-I do believe, he/she is confusing our Olympians Playing Cards as trading cards. But hey who knows what will happen in the future where the collectors begin to keep their tressure in the sleeve?

After all, we are open to receive any feedback whether is good or negative. We committed our self to continue producing awesome products.

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I appreciate your willingness to interact with the community. Open communication is always good.

That being said; I don't think that there's anything that can be conveyed to defend the price point. While the tuck quality, design, and 'innovation' is nice it doesn't make this a $25 deck. As mentioned, Lorenzo has an ongoing campaign that offers ridiculously well-designed cards (that're foiled) with tucks made by Lotrek, for 75% of this price. Every one of Lorenzo's creations are up for Deck of the Year.

The cards matter most. We don't play games with the tuck cases. Luna Moon and Helius Sun also recently funded, with really cool tucks, so 'sealed' collectors already have something to look forward to there, soon.

I wish you luck w/this campaign.
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I wasn't planning to back due to frankly buyer's fatigue as much as anything. After reading your explanation on what was involved with the tuck I decided to back it for a deck. I hope it funds and look forward to getting a deck. While the cost is high, I also understand the challenges when doing something new and in low volumes.
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For me the only really appealing thing is the tuck box (artwork is not bad but couts seem too busy), but I'll not pay $30 USD for that!
The features of the deck (metallic inks) would place this one in the price range of $13 to $18 (with a tuck box with all the bells and whistles), this new tuck design is not worth the extra money, not close..
Luna Moon recently did the same thing where they offered an 'innovative' tuck box at a way more reasonable price (about $17 a deck!)..

Good luck though!
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This is a tough call. The deck artwork and tuck are very appealing, but as TwoPieceFeed has mentioned - the price point is extremely hard to defend. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't fund and comes back around a second time with a more realistic cost.
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The other problem is likely to be the goal amount of nearly $25,000. There are actually few playing card Kickstarter campaigns that reach $25,000+.
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Bradius wrote:The other problem is likely to be the goal amount of nearly $25,000. There are actually few playing card Kickstarter campaigns that reach $25,000+.
Has a campaign ever reached its goal without getting > 50% in the first 24 hours? None that I can think of.
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Yes, there have been Kickstarter campaigns that didn’t reach 50% funding goal in the first 24 hours and got funded in the end. Usually they have to add or change stuff. Recently, I can think of Jinto and Jokers. They ended up adding a $50 tier for a brick of cards and a T-shirt that they kept open until they funded. NEO: wave also might not have reached 50% in the first 24 hours. That said, your point is a good one. Campaigns that start off slow one the first day will definitely have a significant uphill battle to get funded without some kind of a change during the campaign.
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Also, I think I remember the Outlaw deck by Kings and Crooks having a rather slow start. He did add the second deck later though and it reached 50% funding after the first week or so. It eventually funded.
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Pablo393 wrote:Also, I think I remember the Outlaw deck by Kings and Crooks having a rather slow start. He did add the second deck later though and it reached 50% funding after the first week or so. It eventually funded.
Yeah, it took them 1 week to get 50%, and 3 weeks to get funded. Doesn't happen often.

Obviously the great ones fund in 24-48 hours.

The funding goal and product prices are both poor decisions.
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If the price would be, let's say, a 20 USD per deck, still would be a bit steep but I would back it.

I don't have any problems with the design but that 30 USD per deck is still way too much. Also saying that is ultra limited is not true with a 2500 decks printed, even if there is no retail after the campaign, finding these for sale from other collectors shouldn't be that hard after the campaign.

But luckily having somewhat wacky numbers is easier to fix than having bad design, which is something you don't have to worry over, so I do believe this deck will see its light of day.
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Räpylätassu wrote:If the price would be, let's say, a 20 USD per deck, still would be a bit steep but I would back it.

I don't have any problems with the design but that 30 USD per deck is still way too much. Also saying that is ultra limited is not true with a 2500 decks printed, even if there is no retail after the campaign, finding these for sale from other collectors shouldn't be that hard after the campaign.

But luckily having somewhat wacky numbers is easier to fix than having bad design, which is something you don't have to worry over, so I do believe this deck will see its light of day.
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Re: Project Olympians live on KS

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Hi Everyone,

First and foremost, we want to say thank you to everyone who pledged our campaign. We are truly grateful for every single cent that you all have contributed; we understand that these are your hard-earned money, and thus, we promise that we will commit ourselves to ensure that every fund will be utilized towards realizing this project—to make Project Olympians a part of your life.

Understanding our customers' needs is a part of our priority, therefore, we will always welcome any feedback from you guys. You said it, and we listened! Many of you commented that the expensive price tag is holding you back from pledging even though you like the deck. We really want to make the deck affordable for everyone, but this time, we can't. As mentioned in our campaign story, the main reason we opt for Kickstarter is because we really want to release the artbook for Olympians. "The Art of Olympians Playing Cards" is a compendium of our hardship, passion, and vision throughout this journey. We have to use the profit from the decks to cover the high production fee for the artbook, in case its demand doesn't hit the minimum production requirement.

In the meantime, we would like to clarify once more that Olympian Playing Cards is genuinely designed as a collectable deck. Being able to used for cardistry is a plus, but it was not designed for said purpose. From the design concept to the materials used for this deck, every element is different from what you can find in a standard cardistry deck. Which is why the price of Olympians far exceeds that of a standard cardistry deck.

For that reason, we are unable to lower the current price for the deck. However, we assure you that your feedback wouldn't be for nothing! So, please continue to read below.

If you all had paid attention, you might have noticed something called "Olympians Playing Cards Legacy Edition" in the stretch goal section. When we first introduced Olympians to the community, people were questioning our decision to market it as "Ultra Limited" when the max pledgeable quantity is 2500 decks which makes them easily obtainable in the future. To be honest, we are really reluctant to reveal the secret of Olympians this early, as we originally wanted to reveal them much later as a BIG surprise for our backers. But now, we have to reveal it untimely as our decision has been questioned; what makes the Olympians truly "Ultra Limited", is the "Legacy Edition"!

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The Legacy Edition deck is limited to only 1000 units and was intended as a give away ONLY to those who pledged for our artbook—"The Art of Olympians"—when we reached the 65K SGD milestone. What's more, each backer, no matter how many artbooks they pledged, will only get one. That being said, we have decided to make them available now! Now, whenever you pledge for the artbook, you will be entitled a free Legacy Edition deck! However, its initial conditions still stand true: it's only for the first 1000 artbook pledgers. And our main purpose remains the same—to promote the artbook!

What makes the Legacy Edition special?

The value of the Legacy Edition deck is immeasurable—we strongly believe that the deck itself is worth at least $100.00! Nobody else in the world, except the first 1000 pledgers of our artbook will ever bear witness to the true beauty of this deck. Its design would far exceed that of the normal Olympians; it's not just the colours that were changed, in fact, every details of the deck were remastered for your visual pleasure. To top it off, we will only reveal one card—Hera, from the deck on Kickstarter, as we want to save the surprise for when you receive the deck yourself. Therefore, the Legacy Edition Olympians deck is the one that is "Ultra Limited", for it will truly become your own myth—a myth that can only be a word of mouth among those who have never owned it.

More good news!

For those who pledged "Three is better than one", don't feel disappointed. We did not forget about you guys—we will be giving away 1 extra Olympians to first 300 backers of this perk!

Oh, you have already pledged for six decks? We have good news for you guys as well: 2 extra decks for you! If you wish, you can even get two decks from our premium line up which is worth USD20 per deck.

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Lastly, 96 hours have passed since we launched Project Olympians, and the funding progress has been slowing down drastically. We hope that, with our sincere response and our passion for this project, you would be willing to journey forward with us once again.

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Re: Project Olympians live on KS

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I put in my pledge for 3 decks and book. Personally dont mind the price if they are actually going to print only 2500 decks.
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Re: Project Olympians live on KS

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Think i'll have to change my tune on these. Still seems a bit high, but not by a large margin (although I have no idea how much a hardcover book costs to make). International backers are used to paying high shipping costs which seem to be factored in instead of on top of the tier price point this time round. The sticking point is that all US customers rarely have to factor in large shipping costs if any, and they almost always make up the bulk of the backers.
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