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JuFiN wrote: Right now even if it was uspcc printing it would be a middle of the pack mediocre deck and the added risk of unknown printer means it can't compete with the current flooding of Kickstarter by really great decks.
How pathetic! China bought a Hummer, and Volvo, a couple of years he bought the entire auto industry. What do you call the top-end decks? Each person has their understanding and their perception of the environment. Someone like who do not. The market of the United States is not the only one in the world. Such impressions going that no other countries and continents. Do not pay the dollars paid pounds, euros and rubles. ;)
I think he just means that the design is mediocre at best, the art is amateurish and the design lacks depth, the pips are noisy and clash really strongly with the rest of the design elements, the back is a one way design and overall there are a lot of elements working against each other.
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I agree. Contradictions are present. But like someone who is not. I for example do not like a lot of decks that others admire.
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OK - Let's please keep the name calling to a minimum (i.e. zero) - thanks. Insulting someone because they insult you is not an excuse - that is how flame wars start, and if that happens you risk being banned.
Also it is sometimes easy to see insult when a comment or question is blunt - especially if we are communicating in second languages.

Where the printer allows for small test runs it's not unusual for designers to create prototype decks - often these go to reviewers or as contest prizes or offered as "super rare" pledge= tier or add-on. If you work for or represent the company this might be easier to arrange!
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montecarlojoe wrote:OK - Let's please keep the name calling to a minimum (i.e. zero) - thanks. Insulting someone because they insult you is not an excuse - that is how flame wars start, and if that happens you risk being banned.
Also it is sometimes easy to see insult when a comment or question is blunt - especially if we are communicating in second languages.

Where the printer allows for small test runs it's not unusual for designers to create prototype decks - often these go to reviewers or as contest prizes or offered as "super rare" pledge= tier or add-on. If you work for or represent the company this might be easier to arrange!
Excuse me, you who to contact? If I am, then I do not have to SVI relationship. But I have the opportunity to collect full information about any company in my country. What I am now doing. Moreover, in the morning, I put on an independent examination card NPCC AND USPCC. Result necessarily lay. Unfortunately cards SWI is not yet.
"Insulting someone because they insult you is not an excuse - that is how flame wars start, and if that happens you risk being banned.
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That is, it can be and I do not? Where is democracy? Where the right to protection?
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Thanks for the warning. I got it! Just frustrating when trying to wrongly demean others.
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I know it can be frustrating. And Victor has a talent for being a little too blunt sometimes ;)

If you do feel people are being too rude, then message MOD in private and we'll see what we can do, and try to clear up any misunderstandings.

Regarding test prints - I just wanted to highlight that it's not necessarily a crazy idea from a marketing point of view.
I have no idea who to talk to though. But if SVI are the printers and you or Mischievous work for SVI / Centurion then it might be something you could ask for?
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Thank you for understanding! I and my group are currently working on the SVI and NPCC. Think in a few hours will be the result. I'm very interested to resolve the dispute. To confirm or deny the possibility of SVI. Since I supported their project on Kickstarter. I'll try to get a sample decks.
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All consider themselves as experts. I also want to be considered an expert. Moreover, I think that I have more chances than all of you. Therefore, starting an investigation. Instead, it would be as normal people go in the morning to the gym, pool and sauna, I picked up a couple of batches of manufacture NPCC and USPSS and went to the independent expert. Preliminary results showed that the batches were made on the equipment, which is nearly by technical specifications. The degree of wear and tear (i.e., it is a new or old, and whose newest) be installed later. The chemical composition of the ink and the paper quality also require examination that is more detailed, it is worth the wait. The question remains why some are considered better than the other one? The answer is simple! There is playing the role of the human factor. However, this is a solvable problem. Now the fun part! At the same time, my staff gather information about companies NPCC and SVI. You will be surprised. Such organization as the NPCC is not legally exist, as well as mythical printing. NPCC is a group of people, estimated there were three now we are try to learn more precisely. This group took the name similar to USPSS and worked under contract with the printers, and not one. So that the products of this company was printed in different printing shops name and whereabouts of several we have already established. Next SVI. Here, everything is more complicated. This is British firm; there is link to the British Register of https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10200364" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. And the founders of this company are Ukrainians. They are the founders of the group "Centurion", which includes a group of companies, own security service and even professional fight clubs. However, the most interesting is that one of the printing presses which printed NPCC or was purchased, or rented, or works under a contract with SVI. Here we are dealing with official entities. How do you like this turn of events? Accordingly, the quality of their products cannot be lower than the NPCC. Moreover, we learned that in the next week on the printing press should go to some fancy machine. It is now undergoing customs clearance. That's it guys. You led by the nose, and you therefore don’t know the truth gave the information to others. If you need documents, photos, video lock offices, production, etc. Please, write me personal massage. And my promise to give each of the participants by SVI batch of cards if the project is a positive result remains valid. Here and check their quality. Although I try to contact with SVI managers in live and take their samples. I think they don’t refuse me. I think, that information, which I provided, is public, as it doesn’t contain any secrets, and any person having a certain connection, if desired, could get it. Good luck to all! Be careful, Big Brother is watching you!
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NPCC quality is poor. If you are saying that these decks will be similar in print quality and stock it is an easy pass. You will find that a lot of current collectors prefer LPCC and EPCC to even USPCC. NPCC doesn't compare to these three and makeplayingcards.com is even worse. Ultimately this deck doesn't make the cut, an amatuerish design, with unexceptional art from an unknown-unproven printer that is being compared in quality to an established third-rate printer by it's supporters. There will be some on here that will back it, and if this somehow manages to fund I'm sure we will all be curious to hear their thoughts on the final product
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Look, it's really pretty simple; If you don't have samples which trusted members of the community have used and reviewed, as a 'new' printer you're going to find it hard to get traction - especially on Kickstarter, when trusted and regular designers are having trouble getting funding for decks by USPCC and other known quantities.

Several of us who have been around a while (about 8 years in my case) and have seen many printers come along saying that they will be superior or equal to the incumbents (USPCC initially), so far few have produced content which we generally think is near equal. (EPCC/LPCC primarily). Many of the members here treat their decks hard, and know with many years experience that most decks - many using top of the line equipment - don't measure up to our high expectations. This doesn't mean you can't compete, but we're also not likely to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, some of the members might be confronting, but arguing about your opinion of your products quality when nobody has seen or used them is completely pointless - prove them/us wrong.
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Just a couple of observations (Mods; sorry about the double post)

Wanderer: You signed up here 4 days ago, and have posted all of your 16 posts on this topic.
Mischievious: You also have 16 posts (out of 24) on this topic.

Prior to this post, 32 of 40 posts in this topic have been from one of the two of you - some of which are thanking the other, and therefore adding little new information. You appear to be closely related (in terms of this project at least), and it would be easy for someone to assume you are in fact the one person - I'm not making this accusation, but I would easy to come to this conclusion.

Therefore can you each clarify who you are in relation to this project and each other, so the rest of us have some clarity on who we're potentially dealing with?
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Wanderer wrote:........The answer is simple! There is playing the role of the human factor. However, this is a solvable problem. Now the fun part! At the same time, my staff gather information about companies NPCC and SVI........
My friend, thank you for your support.
Though we are with you, and from one country, but it is at least confidential information and to be honest, not ethical to rinse the laundry of others.
I suggest to bury the hatchet and exchange pleasantries.
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Gareth wrote:Just a couple of observations (Mods; sorry about the double post)

Wanderer: You signed up here 4 days ago, and have posted all of your 16 posts on this topic.
Mischievious: You also have 16 posts (out of 24) on this topic.

Prior to this post, 32 of 40 posts in this topic have been from one of the two of you - some of which are thanking the other, and therefore adding little new information. You appear to be closely related (in terms of this project at least), and it would be easy for someone to assume you are in fact the one person - I'm not making this accusation, but I would easy to come to this conclusion.

Therefore can you each clarify who you are in relation to this project and each other, so the rest of us have some clarity on who we're potentially dealing with?
Thank you for the fine noted by the details! Of course connected! I prepay money for 8 decks! Then he began to look for more information and came to the forum. We are one country, probably from the same city. Accordingly, no support, I just could not countrymen. The main thing to understand more like a who's who in this game. In my opinion I did it quite successfully. With SVI, I would love to collaborate on a professional level. For example, a business security specialist.
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Justin O. wrote:NPCC quality is poor. If you are saying that these decks will be similar in print quality and stock it is an easy pass. You will find that a lot of current collectors prefer LPCC and EPCC to even USPCC. NPCC doesn't compare to these three and makeplayingcards.com is even worse. Ultimately this deck doesn't make the cut, an amatuerish design, with unexceptional art from an unknown-unproven printer that is being compared in quality to an established third-rate printer by it's supporters. There will be some on here that will back it, and if this somehow manages to fund I'm sure we will all be curious to hear their thoughts on the final product
Here you are right on all 100%. In my opinion not worth the SVI attached to Ukrainian printers. Perhaps the release of the deck at different locations and allow professionals to compare.Also it would stand wonder how to start working deck. "The Star Kings" specific product. Not everyone is interested in the theme of the affected SI-FI.
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Hello,
I want to give you an explanation of the decks " Star Kings".
The project was ordered by the author of the book "Shambhala Warriors" and not a product of the SVI GROUP, as you noticed PDF books included in the gift. Therefore, the deck are limited edition. Decks will see life in any case, regardless of the results of the KS.

The project on KS, we put in the tradition of other reputable companies that operate on the playing card market, in order to study reviews the potential consumers.
The following decks will be exclusively of our development with the involvement of our artists.
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You forgot to add that the author of the book, is a co-founder of the SVI. This is just in case, for those who consider me an interested party. I understand he wants to make the deck as a gift for yourself. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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The gift from the author's of fiction series

The team SVI GROUP informs the backers, that we have started the spread of gifts.As promised, the first gift from the author's of fiction series "Chronicles of Star frontiers", the novel "The Warriors of Shambhala", in electronic form, you can download on the link,
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For anyone who hasn't noticed, this project was cancelled for a second time now and relaunched with a measly £500 goal which is now funded.

For some mysterious reason they have also launched this under a new account and deleted their old account. A reputable company would not delete an account after a couple of failures nor launch a project with a desperately low funding goal.
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jerichoholic wrote:For anyone who hasn't noticed, this project was cancelled for a second time now and relaunched with a measly £500 goal which is now funded.
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jerichoholic wrote:For anyone who hasn't noticed, this project was cancelled for a second time now and relaunched with a measly £500 goal which is now funded.

For some mysterious reason they have also launched this under a new account and deleted their old account. A reputable company would not delete an account after a couple of failures nor launch a project with a desperately low funding goal.
For especially observant. There it is written that the account was deleted by mistake. Poor funding in my opinion emphasizes the fact that they do not need money and the deck will come out anyway. What do you know about reputable companies? They are so much respected that they have not even responded to your stupid attack. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This an an absolutely weird thread.
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Hi, Wanderer.

I'm one of the moderators here. Yes, we know that vjose32/jerichoholic can be negative and abrasive at times, and please rest assured that we pay attention and address the situation as best we can. I think that if you were to look at other topics on this forum, you'd notice that he is similarly critical of well-known artists as he is of newer, independent artists. Yes, we know he promotes one of the popular playing card resellers, and no, we have no reason to think he's a shill for any particular playing card manufacturer. And, no, it is not illegal in either your country, my country, or his country to promote a favorite retail outlet, so let's not pretend otherwise.

Please note that we actually do encourage employees/owners/representatives of "other shops and brands" to participate in the community here, as well as collectors, cardists, and magicians.

That said, I humbly suggest that you, too, keep your remarks addressed about the cards / projects and not about the other forum members. Just because someone points out what he or she considers to be possible flaws in a project you like doesn't automatically make them fair game for personal attacks. By all means, feel free to defend or promote your favorite projects or companies, or to point out the flaws in other projects or companies, but please keep it civil.
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Wanderer wrote: Poor funding in my opinion emphasizes the fact that they do not need money and the deck will come out anyway.
Poor funding, or a low goal, on crowd funding sites, means poor quality. That may not be the case with this one deck, but the fact is that we see a hundred new decks pass through our forum, and the patterns are very consistant, so even if this is truly a deck that defy's the laws of the playing card world, it isn't worth the risk when we have seen all of this, and heard all of this, so many times before it's laughable. I wish the creators luck on producing a fine product and making a few people happy, but I promise you that this deck, and this printer, will vanish into obscurity in the collectors circle like so so many that have come before it.
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rousselle wrote:Hi, Wanderer.

I'm one of the moderators here. Yes, we know that vjose32/jerichoholic can be negative and abrasive at times, and please rest assured that we pay attention and address the situation as best we can. I think that if you were to look at other topics on this forum, you'd notice that he is similarly critical of well-known artists as he is of newer, independent artists. Yes, we know he promotes one of the popular playing card resellers, and no, we have no reason to think he's a shill for any particular playing card manufacturer. And, no, it is not illegal in either your country, my country, or his country to promote a favorite retail outlet, so let's not pretend otherwise.

Please note that we actually do encourage employees/owners/representatives of "other shops and brands" to participate in the community here, as well as collectors, cardists, and magicians.

That said, I humbly suggest that you, too, keep your remarks addressed about the cards / projects and not about the other forum members. Just because someone points out what he or she considers to be possible flaws in a project you like doesn't automatically make them fair game for personal attacks. By all means, feel free to defend or promote your favorite projects or companies, or to point out the flaws in other projects or companies, but please keep it civil.
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[quote="Justin O."] Poor funding, or a low goal, on crowd funding sites, means poor quality.[quote]

This does not mean anything except that they invest their own money in production. Time will tell. Until the end of the project is not long. If you are mistaken, this will greatly spoil the reputation of local experts. And I'll try to do a maximum review with expertise and comparison.
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Re: KS Star Kings Playing Cards Deck

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That forum was a failed attempt from years ago that I had even forgotten about.
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