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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby dazzleguts » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:35 pm  

Well I haven't seen this article by Phil Gordon. The one I posted first appeared in Hobbies magazine in 1960 and was written by Fred Taylor, a collector, scholar and writer on playing cards. I found it by way of 52 Plus Joker.

Stones may be the correct term if they were still doing old lithography. Litho stones are massive and they eventually figured out how to do lithography with metal plates instead. Artists still use stones since they were cheap as discards from the printing industry, and they can be used for very expressive work.

Interesting - it sounds like Zander was perhaps able to use the same set up that Dondorf did by inheriting it through ASS. So the process has really only been figured out once.
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Unread postby variantventures » Fri May 15, 2015 3:50 pm  

The website is very slow at times and it's in Spanish but with over 1600 items in the catalog, so far, this is worth looking at for anyone interested in old playing cards. The collection is, of course, heavy on Spanish designs but there's a fair amount of English, French, and Italian designs as well. Including the oldest known European deck of cards.

When you get to the link select by museum and choose the Fournier museum.

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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby dazzleguts » Fri May 15, 2015 5:55 pm  

It looks like there are only 6 entries from the Fournier Museum. Perhaps I am missing something since I don't read Spanish?

I moved this to general discussion since new topics in the Worldwide should only be used for adding an area of the world which hasn't been covered yet.
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Fri May 15, 2015 7:22 pm  

It's not intuitive at all, unless you read Spanish (I dont), but select the button on the right and pick the museo shown already selected in this graphic. I find 301 entries.

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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby dazzleguts » Fri May 15, 2015 10:57 pm  

Thanks Mike. Now I'm finding 1,662 entries.

I had clicked on that button before without results - probably I didn't give the page long enough to load and it wasn't active yet.

Directions for access:
Once the link is open click on the seleccionar button on the right side of the page >> select Museo Fournier under the ALAVA heading >> click the Continuar button at the page bottom >> click the Buscar button at the bottom of the new page. The results start with printing equipement, but there will be a sidebar to the right where you can choose to see playing cards only by clicking on "Baraja".

The museum has a lot of printing equipement that has come up first in this search. I would love to have one of those stand-alone book presses for making relief prints.
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby variantventures » Tue May 19, 2015 2:35 pm  

It's a *very* slow website at times.
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby volantangel » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:04 am  

I have a question to ask, are gilded corners a common feature in the past ? Only the corners and not the sides.
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby montecarlojoe » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:08 am  

I've never seen that before! Almost like an existing gilded deck was trimmed down.
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby Slavich » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:34 am  

volantangel wrote:I have a question to ask, are gilded corners a common feature in the past ? Only the corners and not the sides.


I personally have several vintage decks with gilded corners so I guess it was very common, no more info than that :)
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby volantangel » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:53 am  

montecarlojoe wrote:I've never seen that before! Almost like an existing gilded deck was trimmed down.


At first i was thinking was this wear and tear ? But the deck is honestly mint, and on gilded decks its always the corners that wear down first. Then i thought was the deck trimmed down but the edges were perfect, so it certainly wasnt that as well.


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volantangel wrote:I have a question to ask, are gilded corners a common feature in the past ? Only the corners and not the sides.


I personally have several vintage decks with gilded corners so I guess it was very common, no more info than that :)


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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby Bruno » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:32 am  

I have a clean old Piatnik Dancer deck with corners gilded .... 4133
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby Jock1971 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:13 pm  

Hi Volantangel :D
I have many Fournier decks the same, also Piatnik, De La Rue & Waddingtons all have packs with just the corners gilded.

Nice Catch on the Romance Espanol deck, The Court Cards are Beauties :drool: .......Pictures????? :drool:
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby volantangel » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:42 am  

Jock1971 wrote:Hi Volantangel :D
I have many Fournier decks the same, also Piatnik, De La Rue & Waddingtons all have packs with just the corners gilded.

Nice Catch on the Romance Espanol deck, The Court Cards are Beauties :drool: .......Pictures????? :drool:
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I see ! So its pretty common in the past. Thanks for the info guys!

Ill try to get scans up when i can =) The courts are really beautiful !
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Re: International Playing Card Names

Unread postby Räpylätassu » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:23 pm  

Suomi Finland Perkele: Ruudut (Diamonds), Hertat (Hearts), Ristit (Clubs), Padat (Spades)

And if not in plural form, then Ruutu (Diamond), Hertta (Heart), Risti (Club), Pata (Spade)
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Re: International Playing Card Names

Unread postby Levent Suberk » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:30 pm  

Räpylätassu thanks for this. What are the names of King, Queen, Jack and Ace in Finnish language?
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Re: International Playing Card Names

Unread postby Räpylätassu » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:55 pm  

King: Kuningas, often called Kurko or Kunkku
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Re: International Playing Card Names

Unread postby Levent Suberk » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:05 pm  

Another web page for international playing card names: http://www.math.bas.bg/~iad/tyalie/damapik.html
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby dazzleguts » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:56 pm  

Just wanting to mention: Eoghann is appearing as the latest entry in Worlwide, with a date in 2014, because I split the Latin America thread and separated all the Mexican decks out from his El Salvador entry. Those threads are currently at the bottom of the Worldwide but I will be adding some Mexican decks soon.

I would love to do the same with the Europe thread, which is a logistical nightmare, to at least create an Austria thread for all the beautiful Piatnik decks.

Seems to me making distinct threads for each country makes this area most accessible to people.
Any thoughts/suggestions on these changes are welcome.
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Re: General Discussion

Unread postby dazzleguts » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:35 pm  

I have started moving posts out of the Europe thread and into their respective nation threads.
There are now new threads for Greece and Austria.

There are still some decks in Europe that are difficult to separate out, but I will keep working on it.

At the moment, to make it simpler, I am going by the location of the manufacturers/producers of the featured editions of the decks. There's a lot of cross-pollination throughout Europe, with many companies reproducing decks that originated elsewhere. If anyone thinks a deck is in the wrong place please let me know by making a comment here.
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