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My bad - I could have sworn...

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On a more positive note the poll is live! The poll will run for 7 days.

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Stepchild wrote:Celestial? Nobody has had those in hand yet. Paul *just* put out an instagram re how lovely the shiny seals "will be"...


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I think LITURGY Treasure should not be in the list... The sale was in Dec 2016 but the deck shipped in Jan 08 2017 and so far only Europe based people have it in their hands.
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I guess what I meant to point out was that the change two years ago to let each winner select from the prize pool was intended both to avoid them getting something they already have and to let the value of the prizes be more in the eye of the beholder, as they say. It might be worth $1.2-98 to me and nothing to someone else, or it could be their personal white whale, or one of them, anyway.
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With a draw we'd still do it that way - the first name drawn chooses first and so on.
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If we do prize draw, what would you think about not notifying the winner of what they won. Just have it shipped and let them be surprised. Doesn't matter either way to me. I'm not in it for a prize.
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I was more thinking of drawing winners rather than drawing for a particular prize. As Mike said it could be mighty frustrating to end up with the one prize you already have 10 of!

Drawing winners who choose their prizes mitigates that for the most part (though not for the last drawn person - that really is pot luck)
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montecarlojoe wrote:(though not for the last drawn person - that really is pot luck)
True. But the same situation applies to the last ranked "winner" with the current system. :geek:
I think your proposal of randomly drawing winners, then allowing them to select from the prize pool, is perfect. 8-)
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montecarlojoe wrote:I was more thinking of drawing winners rather than drawing for a particular prize. As Mike said it could be mighty frustrating to end up with the one prize you already have 10 of!

Drawing winners who choose their prizes mitigates that for the most part (though not for the last drawn person - that really is pot luck)
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montecarlojoe wrote:With a draw we'd still do it that way - the first name drawn chooses first and so on.
I don't have a problem with it, then. I suppose I misread or misinterpreted it before.

I'll go with whatever the majority here votes. It does provide a way around any possible 'rigging' of the vote, although I seriously doubt that has happened in the past, and don't foresee it in the future.
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50/50 so far!
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I would really like to see both approaches used. I think it's far too tempting to game the system and pick decks that were popular and well talked about having a certain feature. Based on this having a draw process will get really honest answers.

However, I think in addition it would be cool to let everybody also pick what they think the deck of the year will end up being, but limit it to that to keep it simple. Once all picks are in for all categories and critically for the deck of the year, then all those who guessed that correctly would be honored in a list of correctly picking the deck of the year. From that list, a single name would be drawn to have the honor of picking a bonus prize, perhaps getting the first, 5th or last pick of the prize pool...maybe even a special pre-designated prize.
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Guys- I have a question that I don't think was ever asked. Has the previous voting/prize system been off or skewed in any way in the past? Have decks won simply because of popularity or can each deck that won an individual category be justified? I think we're putting the cart before the horse here. While I agree that the current voting/prize system could be flawed and a few bad apples could potentially ruin the whole bunch, I don't think we're there yet. To answer my question I think that if everyone looked back at previous contests you will see that each winning deck won because they deserved it.

And don't get me wrong- I'm not ignorant to the fact that UC popularity skewed at least some of the winners BUT if a deck is popular here there's a pretty decent chance that it's a good deck. I mean I personally take pride in being a part of such a prestigious forum. So why wouldn't I want the decks I talk about most on here to actually be voted for? Catch what I'm throwing?
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First I'm super annoyed at this auto logout problem and how it lets you type a response when not logged in. I had a detailed response and then was lost after I was prompted to login. Come on phpBB, fix this!!!! :evil:

Anyhow, it comes down to this - are we picking the best deck for each category as a group or picking what we think the majority will think the majority will select? They are two very different things.

Also, I like seeing what people actually selected and this can be lost if people have incentive to pick the popular decks.

Lastly, you are right that a clear winner may win not matter what, but the 2nd/3rd place decks can be edged out. Especially if it's a case where deck A gets 95 votes , deck B gets 3 and deck C has 2. At that point even lesser known decks may actually have a shot, but only a select few will vote for it in a popularity system. I know if there's a prize package I really want it's easy to pick a more popular deck I really liked than one I loved if it's lesser known, especially if the difference is minor.

Again, I think it's fun to pick what deck we think others will pick so that's why it would be neat to keep that as a bonus option for the deck of the year, but the primary voting should be the truth and the rewards should support that.
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ecNate wrote:the primary voting should be the truth and the rewards should support that.
This. That's what I thought we've been doing and that's what I'd like to keep doing. There's obviously no way to force this but I think there's enough honest people here that the end result will reflect that.
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ecNate wrote: I know if there's a prize package I really want it's easy to pick a more popular deck I really liked than one I loved if it's lesser known, especially if the difference is minor.
A simple way to avoid this would be if non of the prizes were listed prior to the voting.
Only once all votes are in and entries closed does the prize pool become known. :D
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I'm with ecNate. Yes, the most popular decks probably ends up winning anyway, but the lesser known ones will end up with no votes and no recognition because everyone votes for the obvious ones. A draw would prevent this from happening, and we could include an "honourable mentions" section to give the less popular but well done 2nd/3rd places some recognition.

IMO the whole idea of "skillfully guessing which deck will win" is kinda strange. This isn't used anywhere else that I've seen. Voters should be motivated by the outcome alone, not prizes.

Another thing: We should try the prize-draw method at least once before we knock it. Who knows, maybe we'll see some differences in voting from the previous years?
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ecNate wrote:the primary voting should be the truth and the rewards should support that.
This. That's what I thought we've been doing and that's what I'd like to keep doing. There's obviously no way to force this but I think there's enough honest people here that the end result will reflect that.
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So the votes are in - on the face of it sticking with the current system is the most popular option.
I won't go through all the maths - but the margin of error on the poll is +/-5.6 votes - which means if we ran it again it could go either way.

I do like the idea of having prize winners picked at random but still running the points for kudos. (would have been great 3rd option!)

I'm just not sure that given the poll if we have a clear mandate to change the way it's run...
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I think we are trying to fix something (some things?) that are not broken.

Just my opinion, and my votes don't count, as always. Would not be fair.
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It's not white or black, it's not broken or not. It's learning and continously improving.
Many are stating that we try to prevent "gaming the system". I hate that concept, that's not the point. We are a cool community of normal people. I don't think anybody is trying to fool the rest and win the prize. I just found myself tempted to consider more well-known decks in my votes. Only that, because, hey, I like a prize deck as much as the next guy! But I will be strong anyway and vote with my heart ;)
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jsantafe wrote: We are a cool community of normal people.
Who said anything about us being normal :lol:
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jsantafe wrote: We are a cool community of normal people.
Who said anything about us being normal :lol:
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I think we've learned two things:

1 - We are all quite mad.
2 - There isn't quite th eimpetus to justify changing the status quo of the way the contest works this year - but there plenty of good ideas to mull over for next year.

Onto the next topic - Categories.

Now 17 is plenty and I think we wouldn't want much more than that (20 is a resonable cap) - but there's room to expand - or even lose one or two

On a previous topic 'Best Rookie deck' was touted. I like that - especially form the point of view of discovery we've been talking about.

If I were to nominate a category to drop it would be Best Series (or at least tweak it to best deck in a series). As it is worded a terrible deck could be released and still win becasue the other entires in the series are brilliant. Plus you are voting on the quality of decks that were produced before 2016...

What do you guys think? Which categories woudl you add / remove?
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Best playable deck? Or deck for poker play?
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I'll go in the opposite direction. Best non poker deck: hanafuda, Spanish suits, Italian, german etc.
Also I find best fanning and cardistry too close. I know there's difference but still...
I would keep the best for cardistry only.
So... No draw, right? Making sure, hehe!
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Not this time around, but we'll keep the discussion going for next year - the draw for prizes and side contest for bragging rights might be a way to go next time!
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Another suggestion I just thought of.
Why not limit the number of votes allowed per deck.

For example if the limit was set at 2 votes per deck then if someone voted for a particular deck in 2 categories they would then be forced to choose different decks for the other categories. Just an idea. :D
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misterharmanko wrote:Another suggestion I just thought of.
Why not limit the number of votes allowed per deck.

For example if the limit was set at 2 votes per deck then if someone voted for a particular deck in 2 categories they would then be forced to choose different decks for the other categories. Just an idea. :D
That's an interesting idea, but would prefer we not institute such a cap. Two reasons: 1) if a deck really is THAT good, that it locks down several categories, then so be it! Let it sweep! and, 2) More than one year, I thought that one deck in particular was going to sweep a bunch of categories, but instead, found it very well balanced against other decks -- winning a couple, but then coming in second or third for the others. They all seemed to balance out.

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