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How dare he have his own style... /s

I feel like that complaint about the Royal Edition being "the same" as his older work is like the people that occasionally complain about Giovanni's style with his last few releases. It's a few people that want to see something radically different every single project. It's pretty weird, because despite the general style, Brendan is actually expressing a pretty damn good variety in his artwork.

I support everyone's right to complain and criticize artists and their work (especially those who buy the art), but those who do should at least take a step back and really think about what they're saying to make sure they are being accurate and fair, as opposed to just reactionary.
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Yea, It makes no sense to me either, artists have styles, if you like it why complain when they use that style on future unique decks. If you want something radically different then buy from a larger variety of artists.

I love Brendan's style, but more so I love Giovanni's recent decks, yea they use the same art style but that's because its the same artist and Ill back that shit every time.

If the style is good I would rather the artist use it on every deck than to risk trying a style they arent comfortable with and producing lower quality work.
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Well other creators change it up with each project so I don't think it's asking too much.

I still agree with others that the price is too high especially considering the lack of any "bells and whistle" stuff. If the price was lower it would have funded already. Doesn't help the goal is ridiculously high as well.
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In this case altho the underlying style is similar and its easy to see that all the decks he showed in the latest update were made by the same guy, I think they are unique enough to be truly independent of each other. Even just the two decks in this campaign.

Some artists do have wider artistic range, but I would rather get Brendan's best deck than one slightly worse because he wanted to try something new. Changing style purely for the sake of change isnt a compelling reason to me.

The royal edition does have foil on the cards as far as whistles go. The price of decks on KS does seem to go up every day though and this one is a bit pricey.
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JuFiN wrote:Yea, It makes no sense to me either, artists have styles, if you like it why complain when they use that style on future unique decks. If you want something radically different then buy from a larger variety of artists.

I love Brendan's style, but more so I love Giovanni's recent decks, yea they use the same art style but that's because its the same artist and Ill back that shit every time.

If the style is good I would rather the artist use it on every deck than to risk trying a style they arent comfortable with and producing lower quality work.
Agreed 100%.
jerichoholic wrote:Well other creators change it up with each project so I don't think it's asking too much.

I still agree with others that the price is too high especially considering the lack of any "bells and whistle" stuff. If the price was lower it would have funded already. Doesn't help the goal is ridiculously high as well.
So, I don't know about that. It might be a valid wish to have a great artist branch out into other styles, but I don't know if it's a fair complaint. It would be like complaining about a Monet painting saying that one of his paintings is too similar to a previous one in style because they're both French impressionist.

In Brendan's case, I personally feel that they're different enough (more than sufficiently) that I'm happy to back these and look forward to them. If they weren't different enough to meet my satisfaction, I'd probably skip this particular project and wait until his next one.

As for the price, well, I agree with you there. If it was cheaper I would have bought more myself, so that's a decision from the artist that we have to discuss with ourselves to see how we feel in paying it. It's a gamble the artist will take in evaluating his own standing in the marketplace, and we'll see if it pays off for him.
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Looks like Brendan was reading this thread.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/52 ... ect_update" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's nice of him to show some fire in his belly and let the artwork refute some of the nonsense in this thread. By putting all the court card artwork together, it reaffirms how amazing each design is. He has an artist flair, and you can tell they are all from the same artist. Much like Stockholm 17 and Thirdway Industries stuff.

I'm really looking forward to this deck even more now, ♣ warts and all LOL,and I'm going to do my part and add on a few more decks. Early days, but I hope this one funds!

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I admit, I was wrong, it is different than the previous ones but still along the same style, my mistake.
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Smh. Some people are never satisfied. They could never create a deck themselves but always complain. Brendan put out TWO different styles and still complaints.
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sinjin7 wrote:...The artwork is nice, I actually like the standard Noble courts better. But it just seems like I've already seen the courts and Jokers on his "limited" Royal decks many times before in his previous decks. Obviously Brenden has the right to overprice his decks as he sees fit, but it just seems to me that unless you're a big fan of his work (and there are a lot out there), there's just not any reason to pay $16.00 for one of his standard decks...
This comment was not meant to imply that all his court cards and jokers are identical, but that stylistically they are very similar. When I saw his KS update showing his past courts, I actually laughed because I thought he was basically proving my point. If you randomly show me a court card or joker from any of his previous decks, I would be able to easily identify it as Brendan's due to its very similar style. For many, that's a good thing, and obviously some artists have a signature style. But for me, it gets repetitive/boring after a point. I don't need deck after deck after deck of the same/very similar thing. That's what I was trying to convey in my post and the reason why I preferred his standard courts, because its the biggest departure from his previous stuff. Giovanni is another example of an artist having a type. While I love his decks and courts, I didn't pledge for his Sins decks because, for me, it was just more of the same (even though the courts aren't identical). That's why I said in my post that unless you're a big fan of Brenden and his style, you may not keep buying decks that are stylistically so similar. Go to Brenden's website and look at his non-playing cards art portfolio and you'll see very similar drawings of colorful, kiddy, cutesy, almost anime-like characters.

However, in contrast to artists like Brenden and Giovanni, I appreciate artists that have much more range. Uusi is a perfect example. NONE of their courts are stylistically similar, yet they are all independently beautiful in their own unique way. I am much more impressed that Peter and Linnea can produce such diverse work that is consistently excellent over multiple projects, as opposed to a particular artists doing just one thing excellently, over and over and over again. I love the variety I see when I look at my Uusi collection. And Jackson is another example of an artist with incredible range. My collection of Brenden's decks or Giovanni's decks all just kind of look the same to me courts-wise and joker-wise. Then again, if you're a big fan, you probably can't slurp up the same/similar stuff fast enough, and that's you're right to do so.
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Some artists aim for a broad range and different styles, other work on creating a specific signature style. Brendan falls into the latter, and with it comes pros and cons. For those who appreciate that particular voice it's always a treat to see, but it limits the potential customer base of course.

The update made was not in reference to anything posted here, but was about a comment made by Victor on the Project page. So I have to hand it to you, Victor. You've managed to get a rise out of two different project creators in just a day or two apart. Quite the feat. ;)
sinjin7 wrote:...The artwork is nice, I actually like the standard Noble courts better. But it just seems like I've already seen the courts and Jokers on his "limited" Royal decks many times before in his previous decks. Obviously Brenden has the right to overprice his decks as he sees fit, but it just seems to me that unless you're a big fan of his work (and there are a lot out there), there's just not any reason to pay $16.00 for one of his standard decks when there's really not anything that separated it from another nicely designed deck you can get for $12.00 from the USPCC, which imo is a faster and better printer.
Oh now, Mr lawyer. using loaded words like that when trying to sound innocent isn't gonna pass by unnoticed. :D A fair comment would've been that he has the right to price his decks as he sees fit. Or that he has the right to overprice his decks. Saying "overprice his decks" suggests that he is actively, and with intent, overpricing his decks.

I'm not a fan of the current prices in general for decks these days ($10+ from a big company, $12-15+ on KS), but $16 for an EPCC deck is really not any different than a $12 deck + $3-4 shipping for a USPCC deck. The costs to print with both USPCC and EPCC have gone up since EPCC launched a few years ago, and the difference isn't as big anymore.

With the hours put into a design like this I'm fine with paying these prices. I rarely pledge for decks these days, and so I manage to costs that way. Others will bow out of this one and pledge for something else instead. To each his own, but I can't agree that these are in any way overpriced compared to what you get and how the rest of the market is looking.
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Don't get me wrong, I think artists have the right to charge whatever they want for their decks. But Brenden does, in fact, overprice his decks (with one exception) relative to the market standard:

Hive deck = $22.00 per deck shipped. And this was back in 2014!
Hive 2 deck = $12.00 per deck shipped. This is the one exception.
Dynasty deck = $16.00 per green deck shipped, $22.00 per red deck shipped.
Marquis deck = $16.00 per deck shipped.

My standard for market price is $12.00 shipped for a custom KS deck. Some may even view the current market price for KS at $14.00 shipped. But I still see artists selling well-designed custom decks for $12.00 shipped on KS, so I set my standard there. Whether you view the market standard at $12.00 or $14.00, it is an undeniable economic fact that $16.00 is higher than either $12.00 or $14.00.

Its a credit to Brendan's talent that he's able to create a big enough fan base to support him selling decks at high prices. But while I think he's a talented guy, there's not enough there to compel me to pay $16.00+ for his decks, not with so many other good options out there. Others happily disagree. . .
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sinjin7 wrote:Its a credit to Brendan's talent that he's able to create a big enough fan base to support him selling decks at high prices. But while I think he's a talented guy, there's not enough there to compel me to pay $16.00+ for his decks...
I couldn't agree more on both accounts. But I would pay $16 for a deck of cards... with foil backs, embossed tucks, printed by the USPCC! But for these decks, no. And if THIS is true:
Marcus wrote:The costs to print with both USPCC and EPCC have gone up since EPCC launched a few years ago, and the difference isn't as big anymore.
...then why isn't EVERYONE printing at USPCC!? Either A) the price difference is recent and designers are just now going to start printing more at the USPCC, B) designers have registration issues with their close-to-the-border designs (which isn't a majority of decks) and don't trust USPCC, or C) Marcus is wrong. I admit I'm biased toward USPCC but it doesn't make sense to me to print a deck overseas if something like 90% of its backers live in the US if the price difference is the same or very similar. My two cents anyway.
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When T11 came out with their gold MetalLux Rarebit deck (USPCC, foil on card backs, foiled and embossed matte black tuck, fully custom) for under $10 per deck, that was a game-changer for me. I get that T11 is a bigger company so they have the advantage of an economy of scale over individual designers and can produce things at a lower cost, but that doesn't change the fact that it was an option for us, and we didn't have to wait until the end of this year to get them. It made me re-asses what kind of value I'm getting for what I pay independent of art/design.

Here is my personal Card Collecting Manifesto: I now have the expectation that any deck I collect must have a foiled and embossed tuck, is fully custom, and is printed by a reputable printer. This is my minimal expectation, and this deck should be priced under $14.00 per deck shipped. That is the reality of the market we're in with so many good decks being produced and hitting these minimum requirements. Now for me to be incentivized to go over this market rate, I need something more, like foiled card backs, die-cut tucks, or art/design that speaks to me and moves me. And it's that last element, the art/design, that will differentiate most collectors from each other and what they choose to buy or not buy.
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Marcus wrote:The costs to print with both USPCC and EPCC have gone up since EPCC launched a few years ago, and the difference isn't as big anymore.
...then why isn't EVERYONE printing at USPCC!? Either A) the price difference is recent and designers are just now going to start printing more at the USPCC, B) designers have registration issues with their close-to-the-border designs (which isn't a majority of decks) and don't trust USPCC, or C) Marcus is wrong. I admit I'm biased toward USPCC but it doesn't make sense to me to print a deck overseas if something like 90% of its backers live in the US if the price difference is the same or very similar. My two cents anyway.
I think the obvious option D) is that the USPCC is still more expensive than the Taiwanese/Chinese printers but designers who use EPCC/LPCC prefer to pocket the savings to increase their profits instead of passing the savings on to the buyers. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Designers get to eat and provide for their families and build a 401K just like the rest of us. But let's not be naïve about it, either. A designer can spout on all he/she want about how Asian printers are better, faster, easier to work with, or can do stuff that the USPCC can't do, and while some of these things may be true (or not), in most cases its really about the bottom line. None of us were born yesterday and we all know what BS smells like.

What is interesting for me is that if Trump follows through with his international trade policies, we'll see heavy import taxes on all things produced overseas. This means that it may in fact be significantly more expensive to import EPCC/LPCC produced decks to the United States. If this happens, I'm dying to see if any of the designers that were so high and mighty about the EPCC/LPCC continue using them. I mean, its still all about producing the best product and not about where the printer is or the bottom line, right? Right? (Damn, something's starting to stink...) What I expect to see happening is that a lot of these designers will experience a (suspicious) change of heart and start talking about why the USPCC has been around for 150 for a reason, and that their registration isn't so bad after all, and that nothing beats Air Cushion finish, and that they want to make America great again and produce domestically. :roll:

Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread any more than I have already. I apologize to Brendan. I actually think his art and style is very nice, its why I have a lot of his previous work in my collection. But the Royal Marquis is just more of the same for me, and there just isn't enough for me to buy into the Noble Marquis edition at $16.00. I expect these to eventually fund, and I hope all you Brendan fans enjoy your Marquis decks.
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sinjin7 wrote:What is interesting for me is that if Trump follows through with his international trade policies, we'll see heavy import taxes on all things produced overseas. This means that it may in fact be significantly more expensive to import EPCC/LPCC produced decks to the United States. If this happens, I'm dying to see if any of the designers that were so high and mighty about the EPCC/LPCC continue using them. I mean, its still all about producing the best product and not about where the printer is or the bottom line, right? Right? (Damn, something's starting to stink...) What I expect to see happening is that a lot of these designers will experience a (suspicious) change of heart and start talking about why the USPCC has been around for 150 for a reason, and that their registration isn't so bad after all, and that nothing beats Air Cushion finish, and that they want to make America great again and produce domestically. :roll:
I agree but will add that if the tax happens and designers switch to USPCC then I won't need an explanation as to why. I know it will be about "the bottom line" and I too say, "good for them." Just like I don't have a problem with them using the Asian printers now. Admitting it's to earn a higher profit would be unnecessary for me- I'm not naïve enough to think it's for any other reason than profit (in most cases), which I too commend them for. Like you said: artists have to eat too! I prefer USPCC but at the end of the day I own many E/LPCC decks that are just fine.
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I wasn't too fond of the Royal deck but since I like his "original" style of courts, that's why I got out. The Gray tuck is still odd but hopefully with the gold, embossing, etc it may turn out good.
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Bikefanatic wrote: The Gray tuck is still odd but hopefully with the gold, embossing, etc it may turn out good.
As per the KS project description, the tuck is made out of 'premium shimmering stock', which I assume Brendan can't simulate very well with a rendering. On top of the premium stock, the tuck will have silver (inside & outside) and copper (outside) foil as well as embossing...I trust Brendan's design sense and am confident that the tuck box will look sweet :D BTW, the gold foil is on the card backs, which will mean I have to open a deck :shock:
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As I write this there are 3 weeks to go.

Is this desperation to fund because of deck price or generosity of Brendan? Per the Kardistry link Brendan is having a contest to give away signed and prototype decks based on money raised and backer totals. I didn't back any previous works of his so I don't know if he did this before.

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RichK wrote:As I write this there are 3 weeks to go.

Is this desperation to fund because of deck price or generosity of Brendan? Per the Kardistry link Brendan is having a contest to give away signed and prototype decks based on money raised and backer totals. I didn't back any previous works of his so I don't know if he did this before.

http://www.kardify.com/2017/03/contest- ... m=facebook
I think it's just smart and a nice thing to do. Back the project and you have a chance to win. Just marketing to me.
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They had a similar thing for the Dynasty campaign as well.
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This project still has a hill to climb. I recently added on another deck. Every bit helps. I hope there's a push and trickles over the finish line.
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"Here is my personal Card Collecting Manifesto: I now have the expectation that any deck I collect must have a foiled and embossed tuck, is fully custom, and is printed by a reputable printer. This is my minimal expectation, and this deck should be priced under $14.00 per deck shipped. That is the reality of the market we're in with so many good decks being produced and hitting these minimum requirements. Now for me to be incentivized to go over this market rate, I need something more, like foiled card backs, die-cut tucks, or art/design that speaks to me and moves me. And it's that last element, the art/design, that will differentiate most collectors from each other and what they choose to buy or not buy."

Very well said. I agree with this 100%. Sometimes without having the extras going over $14 is due to how really good the artwork is and the color scheme. That's why Noble gets a "pass" or a buy I should say.
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wow - this project stalled out - crazy when this is one of the most well designed decks out there right now - If you can - post the link to your social media outlets and let's try to generate some buzz - THANKS !!! :D

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Magic_Orthodoxy wrote:wow - this project stalled out - crazy when this is one of the most well designed decks out there right now - If you can - post the link to your social media outlets and let's try to generate some buzz - THANKS !!! :D

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I think it's the deck price even though Brendan explained it in Update #4. Seeing $16 for a basic deck, no frills, looks expensive even though it's an $11 deck with the $5 postage (USA) built in.

I asked Brendan why not have lower deck prices and then when pledging have the shipping appear after but he asked random backers of previous decks and they'd rather have shipping built in and not added afterwards. Backwards thinking by me but I'm no creator.
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meh, it's not that high in my book, iv'e seen people pay way more for Fontaines !!!!

And when so many people talk about how they want original courts - Brendan has given you 2 decks that are NOT cookie cutter - two unique decks with two unique jokers, aces and complete different sets of courts.

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Sadly this one seems to have flatlined funding wise and isn't looking good. Hopefully it pulls through.
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Looks like it's going to need a last push near the end, but it doesn't look good.

I think this project didn't get funded right away because:

The project is in Canadian dollars and the shipping is included. If the project were to be in USD and shipping added on after, the price would look lower than it is. When Stockholm 17 does their projects in SEK, it's also a problem, but he really spells everything out very clearly, with extra conversion charts and goes the extra mile for people who hesitate or get confused with anything other than USD.

There is one too many decks right off the bat. I think it would have been better to stick with two decks and the 3rd as a stretch goal.

There were a few big projects just before Brendan launched. That sucked a lot of the money from people. Just unlucky timing.

More cross promotions and videos showing the cards early, or even before the campaign would have been a better start.

A mass email cross promotion/mass email from Jackson Robinson would have helped. KingsWild has the biggest list and the most backers. An email blast from him would have been a big push in the right direction.

I really hope this project finds a way. The art is fantastic. It's head-shaking that a project like this one, with such strong and beautiful artwork, struggles to fund.
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RichK wrote:I asked Brendan why not have lower deck prices and then when pledging have the shipping appear after but he asked random backers of previous decks and they'd rather have shipping built in and not added afterwards. Backwards thinking by me but I'm no creator.
Whether it's $16.00 per deck with "free" shipping (US domestic), or $11.00 per deck + $5.00 shipping, at the end of the day it's still cost $16.00 for a deck. To list it as $16.00 with shipping included allows you to hide your actual shipping cost, and I suspect that's the reason why most projects that include "free" shipping do so.
Magic_Orthodoxy wrote:And when so many people talk about how they want original courts - Brendan has given you 2 decks that are NOT cookie cutter - two unique decks with two unique jokers, aces and complete different sets of courts.

2 weeks left of the campaign - show your support for GOOD art and GOOD design
This is a typically well-designed deck by Brendan, similar to his past successful projects, so the problem here obviously isn't the art/design. If you look at the Kicktraq for this project, he's made virtually no money after the first week, and the vast majority of the money came in the first two days. What this tells you is that his usual fan base backed within the first couple of days, but he hasn't been able to get many others after that to pledge. There's two reasons for this:

First, Brendan has never been one to vigorously promote his projects. Usually all he has is Kardify and cross-promotion from whatever project Jackson has going on at the time, and its no different here with Marquis (yes, Jackson has cross-promoted this in a post campaign Arthurian update on April 3). But that's just like Trump campaigning in a red state, he's not reaching beyond his base.

Secondly, he priced his deck higher than the market rate for a custom deck on Kickstarter. After his first week, I'm sure many new people viewed his KS project, but he failed to attract much additional pledges. Again, there's nothing wrong with the art/design. The majority of people willing to pay $16.00 shipped for a standard deck are his fans, and they've already pledged in the first few days. So the high price has to be the reason he's not getting much more support.

I've read his 4th update where he allegedly tried to justify his pricing. He goes on about covering his production costs, shipping costs, KS fees, and a small reserve to cover unexpected costs. Honestly, to me it was a bunch of non-information with no specifics to explain why his pricing is higher than any other designer outside of the U.S. on KS (who, by the way, deals with the exact same issues regarding exchange rates and costs).

For once, I just wish someone would have the balls to say, "Yeah, my prices are high, its because I want to make MONEY! My $#!t is good and you're gonna pay for it because you need it. I'm charging you more than others because I'm better than they are and I'm gonna be paid what I think I'm worth." I would have much much more respect for that, even if the market eventually proves them wrong. Instead, we usually get this pussy-footing around about how what money they make is barely going to break even, like they're some charity doing us a favor. Sure, you're using an Asian printer because they're the best quality, not because their quotes are lower and pads your profit margin. :roll: Like we don't know that you're producing many more decks beyond what's needed to fulfill KS backers, so those extra decks are pure profit once you unload them into the aftermarket.

So getting back to the Marquis deck, I imagine it'll go the way the first Hive deck went and eventually (barely) fund at the very end. I mean, the Hive was hideously over-priced and it still funded, so with the Marquis not being ridiculously over the market rate, it should be able to get to the promised land.
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There's one thing I haven't seen brought up that kind of irked me that might explain soome of the lack of additional funds. Why does it cost $16 for the Noble pledge but $15.50 for a Noble add-on? I thought the higher price was about absorbing the shipping costs; so add-ons should be cheaper right? I'd bet if that Noble add-on was $12 (et al) this would already be funded.
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One Noble deck shipped is $21.00 Canadian (or $15.75 UDS by current exchange rates) and one added on deck is $15.00 Canadian (or $11.25 USD). Maybe you're reading the Add-on list in USD instead of Canadian?
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sinjin7 wrote:One Noble deck shipped is $21.00 Canadian (or $15.75 UDS by current exchange rates) and one added on deck is $15.00 Canadian (or $11.25 USD). Maybe you're reading the Add-on list in USD instead of Canadian?
Wow.
I swear I re-read the add-on list 4 or 5 times to make sure I was using the right number "$15 US" "$15 US" "$15 US". It's actually $15 CAD to ship to US. I thought it was $17 CAD / $15 US.
My bad entirely. I should have caught that Note at the top of the add-on list or second guessed why "World" would be listed as a currency...

Looks like I need to be adding a couple of Nobles.
I wish there was a way to add a Royal deck...
(This is where someone tells me I misread again and it's easy to add a Royal deck.)
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