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Hi All,

The updated version of the Star King will be launched 27.02.2017.

Interesting that they've decided to print the cards on their own equipment. Hmmm....

This deck is interesting. It's not interesting enough for me to pry open my wallet. But, if they succeed, I'd be interested in knowing how things go with their in-house manufacturing process....

What confuses you our equipment?
Its technical characteristics are not worse than that of counterparts.

Hi! SVI group ltd. is one of the companies of the concern Centurion. SVI group is registered in the UK, but the bulk of its activity taking place in Ukraine. Centurion old group, which includes not only the industrial and commercial enterprises, and security firms and even sports clubs. Therefore, if they declare their own equipment, then the equipment will not be worse, and possibly better than peers. Especially in Ukraine is a lot of unclaimed printing capacity

Why do the decks cost different amounts, L10 for Light deck, L11 for Dark deck?

I don't understand the whole "Lords and Gods of Egypt" deck either. I spend L29 to get one "free" but backers of another failed project of yours get it free if they buy just one deck? And for me to hit L29 means multiple deck purchases.

I see this failing too, sorry.

The difference in price associated with the cost of manufacturing. Black Deck in any case will cost more. On white surface applied black paint, is an additional cost. In my opinion this is the real price for declared quality.

RichK wrote:Why do the decks cost different amounts, L10 for Light deck, L11 for Dark deck?

The decks cost different amounts because the production of Dark deck is more expensive.

RichK wrote:I don't understand the whole "Lords and Gods of Egypt" deck either. I spend L29 to get one "free" but backers of another failed project of yours get it free if they buy just one deck? And for me to hit L29 means multiple deck purchases.
I see this failing too, sorry.

I understand your perplexity about "Lords and Gods of Egypt" deck.
The last project was not a failure. We have deliberately stopped it, to improve the design of the decks.

When the project was prematurely stopped we promised our backers a gift, with the support of the following project. This gift was the deck of "Lords and Gods of Egypt." We produce premium deck with foil stamping and emboss, which are expensive.

And we can not afford such a gift to all the supporters, because it is dangerous for the project.
It is obvious that the gift will receive only those supporters who have purchased premium set or more. The rest will be able to purchase the decks "Lords and the gods of Egypt" in the month of April.
Thank you for your interest in our project.

Thanks for the answers.

And we can not afford such a gift to all the supporters, because it is dangerous for the project.
It is obvious that the gift will receive only those supporters who have purchased premium set or more. The rest will be able to purchase the decks "Lords and the gods of Egypt" in the month of April.

To my mind, a very sensible approach.

Thank you.

Sorry but I can't risk backing a project where the quality is unknown especially if it is being printed in someone's basement.

jerichoholic wrote:Sorry but I can't risk backing a project where the quality is unknown especially if it is being printed in someone's basement.

Based on your answer, your age does not exceed 14 years.
Our country's law prohibits the involvement of children in gambling and discuss everything related to this.
If you think that the manufacturing facilities area of 3,000 squares the basement, you're just a lucky man.
This basement SVI GROUP, side view. We used to work with the reasonable people having a sense of tact.
So that you do not participate in the project helps us avoid many problems.

jerichoholic wrote:Sorry but I can't risk backing a project where the quality is unknown especially if it is being printed in someone's basement.

Dear "jerichoholic" You've got me really laugh. SVI and "in someone's basement"! That's cool! Not in your accident? Perhaps for such a wealthy gentleman like you SVI industrial areas and slums are, but in our country, this company is well known. This is the British representative group Centurion. SVI venues scattered across the country. In my town there are two only. But how do you know, in your village, such information does not reach. Bicycle want your money that would print a deck? I think no! SVI they do not need the more. This project is probably a marketing move. Moreover, I think if SVI decided to play in this market, six months or a year, he will lead it. As for you, I think your opinion, few people are interested. After seeing your links, I was surprised. Cheap Shop with backward design. Incomprehensible writing to YouTube. Not working page. And the more you try to express your opinion about an international company? Personally, for me and for millions of people you're a nobody. Wish you all the best.

Thanks for the support.
Do not pay attention, people are different. Sometimes, and not think about what they say.

Thank you I follow your projects.

I think you need to put more stuff on the forum. Many do not know what the SVI and have not seen your products. Show more photos. Maybe future projects if this is not a secret.

Wow, that escalated quickly. Has this facility you plan to use printed other decks in the past, if so which ones? This would be an easy way for us to get a sense of quality. I assume they have printed some decks because If they have not printed a deck before than it is incredibly cocky to claim better quality than uspcc with zero experience to back it up... maybe we have found the mysterious printer behind isometric playing cards!

As a side note, belittling personal attacks on members of a community that you wish to sell you products to probably isn't the best business move.

In my opinion a member of the community received a response mirror to his insulting remark from another member of the community.

Did we print a decks earlier? Yes, printed, customized ordering private gambling houses and casinos.
Perhaps you have seen the decks before they went under the name brands customers.
Now we want to enter the market under his own name and with its products, for which we have already developed a dozen of its decks.

Hopefully this intsedent exhausted and all go happily drinking beer.
If a community member feels aggrieved, as compensation, after the successful completion of the project I am ready to send him the deck for free.

Wanderer wrote:I think you need to put more stuff on the forum. Many do not know what the SVI and have not seen your products. Show more photos. Maybe future projects if this is not a secret.

It's a secret.
But some of the material I can show.
Something you have already seen in this project.
This description of the "Lords and Gods of Egypt" decks can be found at the link at the top.

In addition, we are completing work on another 5 projects that I can show in the future, but not now, for obvious reasons. If the moderator will allow, because this issue is not related to the topic.

Also, I can show you a small part of the project "Wild West", which is already fully drawn and we will be able to present it in our next project, as well the "Lords and Gods of Egypt" in this. Let it be a surprise for our backers.

Friends, do not quarrel. I understand the remark in relation to the distinguished member of the club treated me, and not to the company's representative. I unlike tactful manager of SVI GROUP don’t intend to apologize. Since I answered to the arrogant statements of amateur who doesn’t have information about the subject matter. Firstly, in its opinion no one was interested. The wise man said: "Don’t help if don’t ask you, don’t advise if don’t ask you." Nobody offered to buy this. People simply shared information about the beginning of the project. Secondly, his delusional fantasies about the place of production and the quality of the product, at least not professional. For such judgments and estimates it is necessary to have a product, make a test examination, and then draw conclusions. Filming Amateur videos for Youtube and carry nonsense can even mentally retarded.
Now about the product in general and playing cards in particular. What kind of an exclusive printer you are talking about in the previous post? Our Asian brothers produced printers, plotters, irons and kettles of any complexity in the thousands. You have money? Buy! Although the printer alone, though an automated production line. What makes you think that at the older firms there is some exclusive equipment? You are technologist? I can name at least three publishing houses in my country where the equipment is not worse and sometimes better. But they don’t produce playing cards; it is not interested for them. Come to Ukraine, I will make you excursion if you wish.
Now about quality. The first and oldest doesn’t mean better. Ford has released the first car, so buy a Ford. Why do you need Mercedes, Audi and Toyota? Or they have worse equipment? And admire the vintage design of font packs, plus not changing pictures, just because it's well-deserved old products company, I personally will not make this. Many of them are in place, they are already exhausted. They are only changing colors and fine details of the product. And it's your choice? I for example, don’t a thousand of identical batches. Draw your own conclusions. Old and deserved doesn’t mean better. I emphasize, this is my opinion. Everyone should live by his own mind, without becoming highly organized herd. Before we analyze the actions of others, and to express any opinions, especially when they don’t ask, let them pay attention to themselves. Assess the quality of your work. I just can say that it is not going to listen to the opinion it is not clear who, and watch some children's videos with primitive analysis of something there. I wish everyone good day!

The concern is that there is a massive quality gap between printers, even on a professional level.

Take NPCC as an example: They are an established printer that has been printing playing cards for some time, has experience using their equipment to print playing cards specifically, has been refining their process for years, and they are still not what I would consider a high quality printer, they pull up the middle ground with companies like makeplayingcards.com, but are still quite a ways behind USPCC, and Legends.
Jericholic's hyperbolic statement about 'printing out of their basement' was rhetoric about the lack of proof showing experience and quality, and the likelihood that cards printed in house will likely end up being sub-par quality. The standard of quality in this community generally falls on USPCC, EPCC and LPCC, so without proof that this printer's quality is equal to those printers, and there is heavy doubt it is, and without knowing the printers track record with projects, this just looks like another no-name printing company and in our experience that means lower qwuality and higher risk, especially when they are asking at a price point that many equate with USPCC quality decks. On top of red flags like free worldwide shipping.

It is difficult to argue. You have to compare.

Sorry, it was never specified where or who is producing these decks. We've seen others in the past on Kickstarter with similar claims whose quality was terrible in the end. From the looks of things I'm far from the only concerned potential backer.

Wanderer wrote:It is difficult to argue. You have to compare.

They need to provide us something to compare..? Maybe I missed where they offered up examples of their previous work we might have experience with, I will go back and read through.

It seems there is enough concern that this won't fund... You can't claim to have uspcc quality with no product example to back that claim up... going to the ford example Toyota and Hyundai have proven concepts that people can see and know are good as well. But if an unheard of new company came out with a new car having never made a car before claiming Mercedes quality and asking Mercedes pricing you bet your ass I'm not going to put down the money for it purely because the creator who is inherently biased says it is good. The fact that you claim its so easy and anyone with money to buy some machinery and a factory space could do it only further causes me to lose faith. Even other top of the line companies like EPCC don't produce a product quite as good as uspcc, for that example when foiling card backs their process leaves an indent where uspcc does not. Even USPCC widely considered the best has registration issues so the straight up arrogance in saying you have some expensive equipment and therefore can produce a superior product is a big red flag. And the aggressively defensive nature in which these concerns are addressed isn't helping your cause either.

I'm not claiming it isn't hypothetically possible to create a product to compete with USPCC legends and expert have done it, the issue is that still no products have been put forward as proof just vague illusions to unnamed casinos... Asking people to pay top dollar for a product before proving it's a top dollar product will obviously be met with some skepticism. If you want people to back what is basically a test product you need lower prices so the risk isn't as high to the consumer or better artwork so the reward is higher. Right now even if it was uspcc printing it would be a middle of the pack mediocre deck and the added risk of unknown printer means it can't compete with the current flooding of Kickstarter by really great decks.

jerichoholic wrote:Sorry, it was never specified where or who is producing these decks. We've seen others in the past on Kickstarter with similar claims whose quality was terrible in the end. From the looks of things I'm far from the only concerned potential backer.

I understand your concern.
Our experts monitor the quality of the leading manufacturers in this field. Believe, we are not interested in the production of non-competitive products.
We are not ready to give anyone interested the deck to assess the quality of products, it is not economically feasible.

Mischievous wrote:

jerichoholic wrote:Sorry, it was never specified where or who is producing these decks. We've seen others in the past on Kickstarter with similar claims whose quality was terrible in the end. From the looks of things I'm far from the only concerned potential backer.

I understand your concern.
Our experts monitor the quality of the leading manufacturers in this field. Believe, we are not interested in the production of non-competitive products.
We are not ready to give anyone interested the deck to assess the quality of products, it is not economically feasible.

You could sent a handful of decks to known reviewers within the community. That way we have an unbiased opinion to inform the consumer. The Reviews section of these boards could be a place to start finding them.

I think I understand what's going on. SVI need to forget about the projects on Kickstarter and release the deck for sale. Or put a minimum price for the project. Although some sense in this. This project is really not the best, but the fact that they showed in the future is much more interesting. I do not have a deck of SVI, but I have a deck USPCC and I have a deck printed in China for good equipment. In my opinion they are not much use different. But for some reason, strongly recommend to contact the USPCC. It makes you wonder about the monopoly and market blockage. Then, in fact, it is necessary to get these areas and develop a new business strategy. For example, offer to all comers printed cheaply and efficiently.

I supported the project in a luxury package.Change of the order for eight decks. And I promise to all participants of the correspondence sent by a deck for review. Even for my poor country's $ 15 per carton is not money. The only way we can solve this dispute. That would laugh if the quality would be worthy.

JuFiN wrote: Right now even if it was uspcc printing it would be a middle of the pack mediocre deck and the added risk of unknown printer means it can't compete with the current flooding of Kickstarter by really great decks.

How pathetic! China bought a Hummer, and Volvo, a couple of years he bought the entire auto industry. What do you call the top-end decks? Each person has their understanding and their perception of the environment. Someone like who do not. The market of the United States is not the only one in the world. Such impressions going that no other countries and continents. Do not pay the dollars paid pounds, euros and rubles.