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Re: Ravn purple

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Stockholm17 wrote:Thanx everyone, to be honest i was expecting a small riot ahah just kidding.
As you know I like to dare. I have a sample deck called Touch Cardistry Origin, and it is great.

Prices will be more or less as Ravn1 even if there are new usps shipping costs :(
We'll try to make very nice deals for the backers.

Ah, it will be a 2-weeks campaign, not 30 endless days. Simple, quick, and with a couple of stretch goals.
Stay tuned :)
Is there an update on when this one is happening?
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Hi all!
we worked on the campaign and I think we are ready. We launch on monday 17, at 17:17 Central Europe Time ahha
2-weeks campaign

Feel free to take a look and comment on kickstarter, we did our best to keep the prices down, but as you know every year shipping costs raise and those are things we cannot control.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ra ... n=350eba39" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Awesome! :ugdance: Great selection of the launch date and time! I am definitely in for at least a brick, but was wondering whether there will be another way to get a signed deck aside from the Purple Ravn tier as I don't need the close-up pad or uncut :?
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"Hugin och Munin var morgon flyga ut over vărlden vida .... " :D
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Stockholm17 wrote:Hi all!
we worked on the campaign and I think we are ready. We launch on monday 17, at 17:17 Central Europe Time ahha
2-weeks campaign

Feel free to take a look and comment on kickstarter, we did our best to keep the prices down, but as you know every year shipping costs raise and those are things we cannot control.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ra ... n=350eba39" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

thanx!
I'm in for 3× Ravn Purple Touch deck. I love simple, one-deck campaigns where the cards look good.
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I'm very curious to see how these Cartamundi stock feel compared to the original USPCC stock.

Also, I really thought there'd be a surprise second color like black, if for no other reason than to have a matching hand to go with it...
So disappointed /s
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Stockholm17 wrote:Hi all!
we worked on the campaign and I think we are ready. We launch on monday 17, at 17:17 Central Europe Time ahha
2-weeks campaign

Feel free to take a look and comment on kickstarter, we did our best to keep the prices down, but as you know every year shipping costs raise and those are things we cannot control.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ra ... n=350eba39" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

thanx!
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Blablablah, blablah, blahblablaablablahblah ....
Blah de blablahbla blablablah, blablah blah blah.
In respect of all that, please do your own spade work.
Gripe # 642 over.
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Monday:
9:17AM Pacific Time /
12:17PM Eastern Time

I've missed a launch or two messing up conversions.

EDIT: This is not correct apparently. Looks like I would have missed another launch.
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I must wait 'til tuesday ....
Always late.
mewl. :ugthink:
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shaitani wrote:Monday:
9:17AM Pacific Time /
12:17PM Eastern Time

I've missed a launch or two messing up conversions.
Guess what you messed it up again :ugdance: :ugdance:

launch will occur at 11:17 AM Eastern time or 8:17 am pacific time. I confirmed with Lorenzo also (17:17 PM CET)
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TimeAndDate.com is your friend for things like this.

Here's that time: 17.17 in European format we would write as 5:17PM
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Use a little common sense, the time in Sydney is the next calendar day. I plugged in Tuesday, it's actually Monday... (17th)
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Aaaand this is exactly why I've missed launches in the past. My bad jerichoholic.
Looks like I didn't do enough research to confirm daylight savings observances in Stockholm.

In my defense, the time zone Lorenzo listed is technically wrong. If he confirmed that the real time is 8:17am PDT / 11:17am EDT, then he's not in 17:17 CET he's in 17:17 CEST.

Thank you guys for catching my mistake.

EDIT: I also just realized that I incorrectly stated "Pacific Time" and "Eastern Time" in my original post, which are actually the shorthand names for "PST" and "EST", which are one hour off since right now we're in "PDT" / "EDT". God I hate time zones.
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gosh timezones lol
check your smartphones, you can find it out quickly :)

I will ask Cartamundi the prices of the custom brick boxes, as stretch goal I would like to include them in the bricks rewards.
Maybe GW can print them as they did for No.17 and Ravn1.

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Kiss the Sky !
.... Mary ....
Now you got me started
Three Riders were approaching,
.... and the Wind ....

Ummm.

That's 17, right ?

Must be significant.
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Bruno wrote:
Ummm.

That's 17, right ?

Must be significant.
Indeed
And apparently Jimmi is fond of this deck.
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YeeeOww !!
Young Jim goes off !

You know it.
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So, we launch today :)
50 early birds for the 2-decks tier.
20 early bricks.

we try something new for the lowest tier (1 deck).
$16 free shipping anywhere in the world.

Price per deck decreases dramatically when you back bricks:
USA: $8/pc for early bricks, $9pc if regular.
INT: $10/pc for early bricks, $11/pc if regular.

The kickstarter page is ready, I think I fixed all the small mistakes and doublechecked the prices.
Here is thr preview link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ra ... n=350eba39" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spread the voice :)
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Lorenzo/Caroline

When i saw your project title, of course Jimi came to mind. One of my childhood friend became a very popular world artist over the years even got commissioned by the queen to do paintings for the William and Kate wedding.. He mostly does paintings of celebrities in a very unique method http://www.andremonet.com

When I went back home last year for a visit and saw a few of his paintings in one of my other friends house, I obviously asked him if i could hire him to do one for me. He said yes and I picked one celebrity he had never painted and you guessed it, it was of Jimi. I specifically asked for a purple background in honor of purple haze and now the painting hangs in my living room

I give you Jimi with a pair of Ravn Decks
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One of the best uses for newsprint that I've seen for years ....

Ahh Jim, you could have been such a spokesperson ....

Can you imagine a Hendrix-Zappa colaboration, musically or otherwise .... ?
Gaaaah ....
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Lorenzo & Caroline just bull-dozed over the funding goal. Plenty of time to grab more - for now. It is a short project.
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Bruno wrote:One of the best uses for newsprint that I've seen for years ....

Ahh Jim, you could have been such a spokesperson ....

Can you imagine a Hendrix-Zappa colaboration, musically or otherwise .... ?
Gaaaah ....
Or Captain Beefheart.
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Stockholm17 wrote:Prices will be more or less as Ravn1 even if there are new usps shipping costs :(
We'll try to make very nice deals for the backers.
Sorry to be the wet blanket here but I have to point out a few things I don't like, mainly price and choice of printer. FYI the 1st Ravn decks were $13 with shipping included (EB price was under $11...) for a USPCC deck. Purple Ravn is $17 for a Cartamundi deck (no EBs for single decks). Now I don't have a problem with Cartamundi per se but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less. I understand shipping prices may have gone up and inflation, etc. but I would have hoped after reading the above quote that the decks would only be a few dollars more. Adding in the printer downgrade makes the price even further off.

I also understand that Lorenzo received a great sample from Cartamundi and wanted to create a custom deck with the new stock/finish. But what I don't understand is why a different deck couldn't be tested with the new stock/finish and continue the Ravn series with USPCC. I admit I'm partial to USPCC but if it ain't broke don't fix it, right? Purple is a beautiful edition to the Ravn series and this deck looks awesome. But unfortunately it will not find its way into my collection. I'd wish Lorenzo & co. luck but I know they don't need it.
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dazzleguts wrote:Sorry to be the wet blanket here but I have to point out a few things I don't like, mainly price and choice of printer. FYI the 1st Ravn decks were $13 with shipping included (EB price was under $11...) for a USPCC deck. Purple Ravn is $17 for a Cartamundi deck (no EBs for single decks). Now I don't have a problem with Cartamundi per se but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less. I understand shipping prices may have gone up and inflation, etc. but I would have hoped after reading the above quote that the decks would only be a few dollars more. Adding in the printer downgrade makes the price even further off.

I also understand that Lorenzo received a great sample from Cartamundi and wanted to create a custom deck with the new stock/finish. But what I don't understand is why a different deck couldn't be tested with the new stock/finish and continue the Ravn series with USPCC. I admit I'm partial to USPCC but if it ain't broke don't fix it, right? Purple is a beautiful edition to the Ravn series and this deck looks awesome. But unfortunately it will not find its way into my collection. I'd wish Lorenzo & co. luck but I know they don't need it.

Hi!
I understand, thanx for the feedback. I try to explain how I designed the campaign and why we made decisions.

There are 3 factors that explain the prices:
1. increasing shipping costs (domestic and international)
2. currency conversion SEK-USD. The $13 of 2016 is now $14, because the $USD got 10% stronger over the last year.
3. quantity. More expensive for one deck-reward, yes. Cheap for higher quantity especially for US backers.

Price per deck (US backers shipping included):

1 $16 No early bird indeed, usually a collector takes 2. EB-2-decks is $12 per deck, 50 slots were available.
2EB $12
2 $13
3 $12
4 $11.5
6 $11.3
12EB $8.3
12 $8.9
24 $8.2

I think they are very good prices and shipping is included.

The Cartamundi choice:
I have here on my desk the Cartamundi Cardistry Touch Origin, which has been tested and approved by many experts. I think It is worth trying and I hope it turns out very well. Cartamundi's reputation is in stake in the community of custom playing cards and cardistry. I don't think they will deliver a poor product. Caroline wanted to try Cartamundi as well. There are thousands of USPCC decks already, I mean, why not? :)

Question: Why Printer Downgrade?
USPCC is not the best, it is just different. I do not think Cartamundi is a downgrade at all, especially if they invested 2 years in developing a new paper stock and a new varnish (48 prototypes) for better handling and durability. Also, printing at Cartamundi costs more or less as USPCC, with a couple of pros and cons.

This is how I see it :)
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.... the Butterfly cards I got recently from Cartamundi were STELLAR! On par with USPCC (or better) great handle and feel.
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Magic_Orthodoxy wrote:.... the Butterfly cards I got recently from Cartamundi were STELLAR! On par with USPCC (or better) great handle and feel.
Paul, this new 310gsm with cardistry finish 9C² is WAY beyond what they were making even a year ago, much less two years. Its also been used for other custom decks there recently. I have a prototype foiled backed glowing Scarlet red flake look (1 of 30) made in December. Beautiful boards (we would say cardboards) and truly slick handling right out of the box. It's really sturdy, nothing even comparable to the previous generation decks. Their 330gsm blue core German (Chromolux, I believe) casino bond paper stock is awesome, everlasting stuff! Stiff enough to last ages, and a gorgeous board to begin with. "Butterfly" is one example, there's around a dozen they made in the past 18 months.
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And the quality from LG is rated Absolute.
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Without a doubt, Bruno. That's a given, Lorenzo always knocks them out of the park.
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Stockholm17 wrote:Question: Why Printer Downgrade?
USPCC is not the best, it is just different. I do not think Cartamundi is a downgrade at all, especially if they invested 2 years in developing a new paper stock and a new varnish (48 prototypes) for better handling and durability. Also, printing at Cartamundi costs more or less as USPCC, with a couple of pros and cons.

This is how I see it :)
I wish people would stop hyping up stock so much. Pretty much everyone uses acceptable stock. That's MPC straight up to USPCC. They're all of comparable construction and thickness. True, there are some minor variances in stiffness, snap, and elastic deformation, but all fall within acceptable tolerances for the purposes of general card play or cardistry. I do see that a significant number of EPCC/LPCC have warping issues, and I've come to the conclusion that it's because the factories in Asia don't have sufficient humidity control. So what happens is that the humidity level there is usually significantly higher than in the environment of the end user, typically here in the United States. People always associate the cause of warping to be more humidity/moisture, but the reverse is true where if something is made in a more humid environment and goes to a drier place, there will be warping as well, and I think that's what I'm experiencing here in California with many of the Asian decks. Any woodworker can tell you this fact, and paper is made from wood as well. But aside from this, the card stock is good across the board from all major printers.

The great variable is the finish. Whether you feel the USPCC is the best or just different, there is no denying they have the most superior coefficient of friction in their finish which enables the most consistent slip between cards. Perhaps the only argument against USPCC's finish is that it's too slippery for certain cardistry moves, but that is easily remedied by a little fanning powder. Everyone else is trying to catch up. I've handled many Carta Mundi decks over the years. I have always been impressed with their stiff and durable stock, but the finish is where they lack. I've not handled this new varnish they've been working on the past 2 years, but it just sounds like more of the same from what we've been hearing from EPCC/LPCC. And they're still tweaking their formula after all these years.

I think its great Lorenzo is willing to experiment with different options, but in this case if the cost of printing is more or less the same as USPCC, then why risk getting a potentially inferior product? And even if this new Carta Mundi finish is as good as advertised, producing these decks with a different printer breaks up the continuity of the series. Maybe Lorenzo should've experimented with a different deck instead of one made to be part of a series. This is probably going to be the first Lorenzo project that I do not support. Since this is more expensive than what I consider the market rate for a well designed custom deck, there's not enough here for me to pledge since this is, after all, just a recolor and I have his first Ravn decks. Plus, if Carta Mundi comes through on its promise of a better finish, then I can always pick some up in the aftermarket.
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