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One of the best uses for newsprint that I've seen for years ....

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Lorenzo & Caroline just bull-dozed over the funding goal. Plenty of time to grab more - for now. It is a short project.
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Bruno wrote:One of the best uses for newsprint that I've seen for years ....

Ahh Jim, you could have been such a spokesperson ....

Can you imagine a Hendrix-Zappa colaboration, musically or otherwise .... ?
Gaaaah ....
Or Captain Beefheart.
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Stockholm17 wrote:Prices will be more or less as Ravn1 even if there are new usps shipping costs :(
We'll try to make very nice deals for the backers.
Sorry to be the wet blanket here but I have to point out a few things I don't like, mainly price and choice of printer. FYI the 1st Ravn decks were $13 with shipping included (EB price was under $11...) for a USPCC deck. Purple Ravn is $17 for a Cartamundi deck (no EBs for single decks). Now I don't have a problem with Cartamundi per se but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less. I understand shipping prices may have gone up and inflation, etc. but I would have hoped after reading the above quote that the decks would only be a few dollars more. Adding in the printer downgrade makes the price even further off.

I also understand that Lorenzo received a great sample from Cartamundi and wanted to create a custom deck with the new stock/finish. But what I don't understand is why a different deck couldn't be tested with the new stock/finish and continue the Ravn series with USPCC. I admit I'm partial to USPCC but if it ain't broke don't fix it, right? Purple is a beautiful edition to the Ravn series and this deck looks awesome. But unfortunately it will not find its way into my collection. I'd wish Lorenzo & co. luck but I know they don't need it.
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dazzleguts wrote:Sorry to be the wet blanket here but I have to point out a few things I don't like, mainly price and choice of printer. FYI the 1st Ravn decks were $13 with shipping included (EB price was under $11...) for a USPCC deck. Purple Ravn is $17 for a Cartamundi deck (no EBs for single decks). Now I don't have a problem with Cartamundi per se but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less. I understand shipping prices may have gone up and inflation, etc. but I would have hoped after reading the above quote that the decks would only be a few dollars more. Adding in the printer downgrade makes the price even further off.

I also understand that Lorenzo received a great sample from Cartamundi and wanted to create a custom deck with the new stock/finish. But what I don't understand is why a different deck couldn't be tested with the new stock/finish and continue the Ravn series with USPCC. I admit I'm partial to USPCC but if it ain't broke don't fix it, right? Purple is a beautiful edition to the Ravn series and this deck looks awesome. But unfortunately it will not find its way into my collection. I'd wish Lorenzo & co. luck but I know they don't need it.

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I understand, thanx for the feedback. I try to explain how I designed the campaign and why we made decisions.

There are 3 factors that explain the prices:
1. increasing shipping costs (domestic and international)
2. currency conversion SEK-USD. The $13 of 2016 is now $14, because the $USD got 10% stronger over the last year.
3. quantity. More expensive for one deck-reward, yes. Cheap for higher quantity especially for US backers.

Price per deck (US backers shipping included):

1 $16 No early bird indeed, usually a collector takes 2. EB-2-decks is $12 per deck, 50 slots were available.
2EB $12
2 $13
3 $12
4 $11.5
6 $11.3
12EB $8.3
12 $8.9
24 $8.2

I think they are very good prices and shipping is included.

The Cartamundi choice:
I have here on my desk the Cartamundi Cardistry Touch Origin, which has been tested and approved by many experts. I think It is worth trying and I hope it turns out very well. Cartamundi's reputation is in stake in the community of custom playing cards and cardistry. I don't think they will deliver a poor product. Caroline wanted to try Cartamundi as well. There are thousands of USPCC decks already, I mean, why not? :)

Question: Why Printer Downgrade?
USPCC is not the best, it is just different. I do not think Cartamundi is a downgrade at all, especially if they invested 2 years in developing a new paper stock and a new varnish (48 prototypes) for better handling and durability. Also, printing at Cartamundi costs more or less as USPCC, with a couple of pros and cons.

This is how I see it :)
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.... the Butterfly cards I got recently from Cartamundi were STELLAR! On par with USPCC (or better) great handle and feel.
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Magic_Orthodoxy wrote:.... the Butterfly cards I got recently from Cartamundi were STELLAR! On par with USPCC (or better) great handle and feel.
Paul, this new 310gsm with cardistry finish 9C² is WAY beyond what they were making even a year ago, much less two years. Its also been used for other custom decks there recently. I have a prototype foiled backed glowing Scarlet red flake look (1 of 30) made in December. Beautiful boards (we would say cardboards) and truly slick handling right out of the box. It's really sturdy, nothing even comparable to the previous generation decks. Their 330gsm blue core German (Chromolux, I believe) casino bond paper stock is awesome, everlasting stuff! Stiff enough to last ages, and a gorgeous board to begin with. "Butterfly" is one example, there's around a dozen they made in the past 18 months.
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And the quality from LG is rated Absolute.
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Without a doubt, Bruno. That's a given, Lorenzo always knocks them out of the park.
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Stockholm17 wrote:Question: Why Printer Downgrade?
USPCC is not the best, it is just different. I do not think Cartamundi is a downgrade at all, especially if they invested 2 years in developing a new paper stock and a new varnish (48 prototypes) for better handling and durability. Also, printing at Cartamundi costs more or less as USPCC, with a couple of pros and cons.

This is how I see it :)
I wish people would stop hyping up stock so much. Pretty much everyone uses acceptable stock. That's MPC straight up to USPCC. They're all of comparable construction and thickness. True, there are some minor variances in stiffness, snap, and elastic deformation, but all fall within acceptable tolerances for the purposes of general card play or cardistry. I do see that a significant number of EPCC/LPCC have warping issues, and I've come to the conclusion that it's because the factories in Asia don't have sufficient humidity control. So what happens is that the humidity level there is usually significantly higher than in the environment of the end user, typically here in the United States. People always associate the cause of warping to be more humidity/moisture, but the reverse is true where if something is made in a more humid environment and goes to a drier place, there will be warping as well, and I think that's what I'm experiencing here in California with many of the Asian decks. Any woodworker can tell you this fact, and paper is made from wood as well. But aside from this, the card stock is good across the board from all major printers.

The great variable is the finish. Whether you feel the USPCC is the best or just different, there is no denying they have the most superior coefficient of friction in their finish which enables the most consistent slip between cards. Perhaps the only argument against USPCC's finish is that it's too slippery for certain cardistry moves, but that is easily remedied by a little fanning powder. Everyone else is trying to catch up. I've handled many Carta Mundi decks over the years. I have always been impressed with their stiff and durable stock, but the finish is where they lack. I've not handled this new varnish they've been working on the past 2 years, but it just sounds like more of the same from what we've been hearing from EPCC/LPCC. And they're still tweaking their formula after all these years.

I think its great Lorenzo is willing to experiment with different options, but in this case if the cost of printing is more or less the same as USPCC, then why risk getting a potentially inferior product? And even if this new Carta Mundi finish is as good as advertised, producing these decks with a different printer breaks up the continuity of the series. Maybe Lorenzo should've experimented with a different deck instead of one made to be part of a series. This is probably going to be the first Lorenzo project that I do not support. Since this is more expensive than what I consider the market rate for a well designed custom deck, there's not enough here for me to pledge since this is, after all, just a recolor and I have his first Ravn decks. Plus, if Carta Mundi comes through on its promise of a better finish, then I can always pick some up in the aftermarket.
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Bruno wrote:And the quality from LG is rated Absolute.
I would also add that I have always been impressed with his spirit of giving ....
He seems to supply a generosity of spirit, great spirit, along with his talented artistic sense ....
Where others might be ego driven and talentless, none of this comes through with LG.
Just a naturally generous bloke, I guess ....
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Stockholm17 wrote:
dazzleguts wrote:Sorry to be the wet blanket here but I have to point out a few things I don't like, mainly price and choice of printer. FYI the 1st Ravn decks were $13 with shipping included (EB price was under $11...
Actually that was Vasta's quote.
I've never minded alternate printers.
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vasta41 wrote: but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less.
USPCC is one of the cheapest option available for an average deck (without foiling etc) If you print 2500 and more. Even for 1000 decks prices are almost the same everywhere, even in China.
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Also, speaking specifically, it is good to remember that we are backing the vital good merits of Caroline Ravn and Lorenzo "Stockholm17" Gaggiotti, along with the vast experience which Cartamundi, with its long and rich history, brings to this collaboration.
As a experiment/test bed, how can it not succeed ? :lol:

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If we can bring your decks for fulfillment within six weeks, instead of six months? Even 12 weeks, or a quarter year (three months) to start. Reliably, repeatedly and no claim of "better", just equal. Every aspect equal or superior to the original specs.
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I'm quite curious about these new Cartamundi decks, so I'm in. I'ts a little odd though, that they are manufactured in Belgium and all fulfillment is made by GW in the US, even for european customers. :?
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maxs wrote:I'm quite curious about these new Cartamundi decks, so I'm in. I'ts a little odd though, that they are manufactured in Belgium and all fulfillment is made by GW in the US, even for european customers. :?
Yes, i know it sounds odd, but an european fulfillment center costs twice. Example: parcel for one deck to japan, €20. Seriously?
With GW i can keep the shipping prices quite low. You guys have to wait a bit longer, but it is cheaper.
If you want to pay €10 for shipping one deck (stamps, processing fees and beloved VAT).... just let me know :(
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Stockholm17 wrote:
maxs wrote:I'm quite curious about these new Cartamundi decks, so I'm in. I'ts a little odd though, that they are manufactured in Belgium and all fulfillment is made by GW in the US, even for european customers. :?
Yes, i know it sounds odd, but an european fulfillment center costs twice. Example: parcel for one deck to japan, €20. Seriously?
With GW i can keep the shipping prices quite low. You guys have to wait a bit longer, but it is cheaper.
If you want to pay €10 for shipping one deck (stamps, processing fees and beloved VAT).... just let me know :(

I understand that you've already zeroed in to EU shipping with GW but there are,indeed, a couple of providers within EU who offer very competitive & provide fast shipping within EU (and even take care of VAT as an extra option). If you proceed with Cartamundi for next projects, it will be worthwhile to check the fulfillment options for UK, EU backers with the following:

http://www.happyshops.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Germany based - Ask for Annika Reinhold)

http://www.sendwich-logistics.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Germany based - Ask for Maxi Ebert )

http://www.yesfulfillment.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (UK based- Ask for Jason Williams)

Happyshops also claim that because they run German based Boardgame crowdfunding fullservice (http://www.Spieleschmiede.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) that can often add significant numbers of backers to your campaigns if you work with them for German localisation.

I believe you & anyone else working with Cartamundi, Belgium or other similar providers need to check fulfillment options with these folks.
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montenzi wrote:
vasta41 wrote: but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less.
USPCC is one of the cheapest option available for an average deck (without foiling etc) If you print 2500 and more. Even for 1000 decks prices are almost the same everywhere, even in China.
I am no playing card deck creator but I wonder if we can get some proof? Because I question the validity of that statement.
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vasta41 wrote:
montenzi wrote:
vasta41 wrote: but generally speaking, anything not printed by USPCC IMO is sub-par and thus should cost less.
USPCC is one of the cheapest option available for an average deck (without foiling etc) If you print 2500 and more. Even for 1000 decks prices are almost the same everywhere, even in China.
I am no playing card deck creator but I wonder if we can get some proof? Because I question the validity of that statement.

I´d say it is true.
USPCC is relatively cheap if you print "standard". Standard means no features what-so-ever. Their paper, their standard tuckbox, no fancy things, no embossing, no foil, no extra colors, no custom seal, just a plain deck.
A deck as Fontaine or Virts costs probably around $2.5/pc for 2500 units, down to $2/pc (or less) for 5000 or more.

If you start to add: embossing, foil, special tuckbox paper, the prices rises dramatically up to $7/pc, depending what you want and how many units
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"Anything not printed by USPCC is sub-par" ??? Please.
After having received many hundreds of decks in the last few years from various card companies, my experience is that there is no single metric USPCC excels in consistently above the others. These other companies would simply not survive if there were any demonstrable advantage of going with USPCC, beyond the usual "we've been around the longest in our current form, why wouldn't you think we're the greatest" empty rhetoric. Inputs like who the creator is, and how/what they demand of their product seems to have far greater influence on what the customer receives.
I for one can't wait to receive another Cartamundi deck.
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Also find it amusing how US-based backers complain about $3-$4 variations in deck price. If you ever moved overseas you'd quickly discover how good you had it all along with free US shipping on many campaigns, no foreign currency conversion charges, quicker delivery turnaround times, a cheaper aftermarket... It's like anything, if you feel it's worth the cost to you then buy it, if not then don't. You don't see people complaining to other Capitalist driven exploits expecting price reduction, why shouldn't card creators enjoy some profit for their labour too? /Rant
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We all of us agree with the above sentiments ....

But, y'know, people will find the need to highlight their sensitivities.
For some :? strange reason.
(Try reconciling the shipping news to Oz, by crikey, and you will have room for any number of pointless complaints)

Bruno + 4 (which makes umm :? 5, ok) :lol:
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Thedissident001 wrote:If you ever moved overseas you'd quickly discover how good you had it all along with free US shipping on many campaigns, no foreign currency conversion charges, quicker delivery turnaround times, a cheaper aftermarket...
I always take a moment to feel grateful for being in the US every time I scroll through the drop down of countries in Kickstarter and see all the +4s and +8s by every country except the US. [emoji631]
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Thedissident001 wrote:...my experience is that there is no single metric USPCC excels in consistently above the others.
Finish. At least from the perspective of cardists, maybe the variance isn't big enough to make a difference to other card handlers/collectors.
Thedissident001 wrote:Also find it amusing how US-based backers complain about $3-$4 variations in deck price. If you ever moved overseas you'd quickly discover how good you had it all along with free US shipping on many campaigns, no foreign currency conversion charges, quicker delivery turnaround times, a cheaper aftermarket... It's like anything, if you feel it's worth the cost to you then buy it, if not then don't. You don't see people complaining to other Capitalist driven exploits expecting price reduction, why shouldn't card creators enjoy some profit for their labour too? /Rant
I completely agree, but were I to live in the US I would still have a limit on price where, if exceeded, I (usually) wouldn't buy a deck. And I would also let it be known that this is the reason I don't. It may seem like pointless complaining to some, but it's valuable feedback for deck creators/producers.
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Re: Ravn purple

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Yup, concur ....
Tho' I'll add that my descriptor is 'pointless' not senseless .... not the same.
Shipping.
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It is a concern for all of us out here in backerland, though for Creators it can almost be a spirit breaker .... we think in costs per deck, but give little thought to the extended time and effort that can be subsumed to the huge part >>Shipping<< can take out of someones life.
I can only imagine.
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Re: Ravn PurpleHaze !!!! from CARTAMUNDI

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Thedissident001 wrote:"Anything not printed by USPCC is sub-par" ??? Please.
After having received many hundreds of decks in the last few years from various card companies, my experience is that there is no single metric USPCC excels in consistently above the others. These other companies would simply not survive if there were any demonstrable advantage of going with USPCC, beyond the usual "we've been around the longest in our current form, why wouldn't you think we're the greatest" empty rhetoric. Inputs like who the creator is, and how/what they demand of their product seems to have far greater influence on what the customer receives.
I for one can't wait to receive another Cartamundi deck.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ra ... ze/updates

Coming right up !

And .... for those with uspcc one-eyed/tunnel vision/submerged-outlook/comprehension-culpability ....***

Too Sad !

*** Randy Rites .... quoth--
Yep, SinJin and I have talked, via PM, about my trepidations with printing with USPCC. Years ago I vowed to never print any future solo Decks with USPCC! They had really screwed us over on the White ORNATES with their +/- 10% rule (more like +15% take it or else…..). They had also messed up the bottom flaps of around 80% of the Unbranded Obsidian Tuck Boxes (and were blasé about it "somehow slipped through our Q1 Inspectors..."). I'm sad to say, working with them for freelance Decks the past couple years hasn't helped in changing my mind. I could probably write a book on the behind-the-scenes inconsistency of USPCC's Prepress, Printing and Law departments!

I've submitted Print Files for 4 different designs to USPCC this year alone (V2 Honeybees, Bicycle Inspire, Snake Oil and one I can't mention). EVERY one of them had some kind of issue with either their Prepress or Law departments! For the Metalluxe Honeybees, they came back a week or two later and had me put all of the separate Foil and Embossing Plates into the same Illustrator file, in separate Layers (even though they had me separate similar Plates into SEPARATE Illustrator files for a different design in 2016). A couple more weeks later, they came back and said "yeah, we now have a new Tuck Dieline for any that have Embossing". So, I had to rework the files again. USPCC's mishaps are the main reasons the Metalluxe Honeybees are taking longer than the regular V2 Honeybees! For the Bicycle Inspire Deck, they had the usual round of Legal Copy changes that happen with any Bicycle branded Tucks (it's NEVER the same from project to project). Then they came back and wanted me to change the Blue color's name from "PANTONE BLUE" to "PANTONE 286" in all 56 of the marked Back Cards' files. I told them that change didn't make any sense, since they could easily change the color name ONE time after they setup the Faces' Uncut layout (and it didn't make any difference anyways. They still had to print just the 1 Pantone plate). I was leaving for vacation less than an hour after they sent that request and couldn't do it, so I guess they actually sucked it up and did it themselves. For the Snake Oil Decks, they came up with some new guideline where they wanted me to move all of the Face Card Dielines from a separate Photoshop Layer to an Alpha Channel. The USPCC Lawyers made a big stink on that one about changing "PRINTED BY…" to "MANUFACTURED BY…". I had some very detailed and complex Layers I had to redo and adjust in order to do these petty changes. I was pissed!!! My early background was working in the Prepress department of a Printshop, so I know how to supply extremely pristine Print Files. I can't even imagine the "fixes" they have novice designers do for them!

My day job (designing for alcohol brands - Jameson, Absolut, Malibu, Jim Beam…..) involves a lot of back-and-forth with Lawyers, and minor revisions to make sure the designs and wording are compliant with each state's legal restrictions. After working the full day on stuff like that, I want to minimalize similar hassles during my night / hobby job. I know one thing for sure - printing with the LPCC / EPCC / Hanson printer has NONE of these inconsistent Prepress and Lawyer issues!!

And, most importantly, there are NO worries about trim registration for Full Bleed or Thin Border designs (which was also a major reason we chose Hanson over USPCC). Poor trim registration is always a known problem with USPCC.

unquoth.

Bruno blathers ....
this to counter the culpability and ignorance delivered for the delectation of the un-observing grifters and shills who are such a valued asset to uspcc, if they are not already on a retainer/salary.
Now who would have known, and for how long has it concurrently existed ?

oh shut up Bruno, exposing liars for lying is a redundancy, everybody enjoys liars exposing their sad selves again and again on these boards, stop highlighting th'plainly obvious ....

Sincere apols to Randy and Lorenzo/Caroline and anyone else off-sided by the above ....
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Re: Ravn purple

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Great, I'm glad I clicked on this thread to read some insightful comments on playing cards. Oh wait... nope, just Bruno working hard trying to get banned.
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Re: Ravn purple

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To be fair to Bruno that is real info and relevant to where the conversation had drifted.

USPCC have undoubtedly a great history in producing high quality products. The name alone has significant caché for a project associated with it.

But some context in the form of real experience as to WHY creators make other decisions is valuable.

Having said that I cant wait to get my grubby hands on the new RAVN deck :)
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Re: Ravn PurpleHaze !!

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That would be the new Cartamundi Ravn deck ....

I'll give credit where it is due.
Not simply for perceived or accepted wisdom in the face of fact.
I have only contempt for conceit.

My small conceit sits thus heavily. :D
O, I beg of you your comprehensions,
yet laugh at your contempts ....
my only competition is with myselves.

But Lèse-majesté, especially >Normans, natch.

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Neigh .... the Effluxor of the Omniverse ??
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