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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby jsantafe » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:01 am  

Hahaha!
That could be a thing, yes!
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby rorschach » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:50 pm  

I would agree. More specifically it is mimicking that of a manuscript, in which case I would say the artwork is well done.

jsantafe wrote:I feel it reflects medieval art decently, doesn't it?


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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby jsantafe » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:48 pm  

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Maybe it could be more elaborate seing the original inspiration, but it's still nice art. Not amazing but adding the topic and the Camelot tuck (if done as presented) makes itba good project, imo.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby jsantafe » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:56 pm  

Book of Kells

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Maybe it could be more elaborate seing the original inspiration, but it's still nice art. Not amazing but adding the topic and the Camelot tuck (if done as presented) makes itba good project, imo.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby shaitani » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:14 pm  

JR updated the KS with a new add-on for the Camelot Edition pledgers to be able to add a demo deck.
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Several comments from me:

1. Business-wise it's a smart move for him to only allow Camelot Edition pledgers to add this to their pledge.
But customer-wise, it's kind of annoying. Some people don't have or don't want to spend $42+ to grab a Camelot edition, so why not offer them the demo deck for let's say $10?

2. I kind of prefer if he didn't create the 'excalibur edition' at all. The tuck is pretty weak, the art is just a lesser version of the camelot art in every conceivable way. It's still not really affordable. So I don't really see the point.

3. Tangent rant: why do people call them "display decks". They should be called almost literally anything else. 'Display' is exactly what they're not for. They should be called "demo decks" or "player decks" or "user decks" or something.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby PrincessTrouble » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:11 pm  

shaitani wrote:3. Tangent rant: why do people call them "display decks". They should be called almost literally anything else. 'Display' is exactly what they're not for. They should be called "demo decks" or "player decks" or "user decks" or something.


I feel exactly the same way. The fancy tucks are display decks. These are player decks.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby rousselle » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:45 pm  

Okay, if I recall correctly (and, I'm really too lazy at the moment to look up the original justification that JR gave with the first time he included display decks... was it the Scarlet Tally's?), the reason these are called display decks is because the cards themselves can be displayed, without having to break open a fancy shmancy tuck seal. Hence, a display deck is a deck of display cards. It's not a display tuck.

That's how I read it, anyway. Your mileage clearly may vary.

As it is, I've been sitting on the fence on this one, leaning toward "no." I'm now sitting on the fence, leaning toward "yes." The addition of the display deck definitely makes a difference for me. And, while I agree with others that it would be nicer to have the display deck option (even if it's at a slightly higher price) for non-Camelot backers, I don't think this approach is unreasonable. In theory, the only people who end up with the display decks are people who have the tucks that those decks would appear within....
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby RichK » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:56 am  

rousselle wrote:Okay, if I recall correctly (and, I'm really too lazy at the moment to look up the original justification that JR gave with the first time he included display decks... was it the Scarlet Tally's?)


I looked. It was the Independence (Continental/Crown) for the Limited Edt. was his first "deck to look at without Limited breaking seals". They were for the Ltd. backers only. Free too.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby montecarlojoe » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:19 am  

It was also a way to offer an edition of the deck that was smaller than the minimum print run - 4000 decks at the time I think?

Minimum tuck runs were much smaller, and the plain tuck is obviously cheaper to produce.

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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby EndersGame » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:04 am  

I actually like the look of the Arthurian deck a lot - the court cards look fantastic!
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby TGunitedcardists » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:28 pm  

montecarlojoe wrote:It was also a way to offer an edition of the deck that was smaller than the minimum print run - 4000 decks at the time I think?

Minimum tuck runs were much smaller, and the plain tuck is obviously cheaper to produce.

2000 Decks + 500 LE + 1500 Display has more marketing potential than 4000 straight decks! (Not meant as a negative criticism - pretty smart if you ask me)


Exactly. I'm on the fence still. I'm leaning towards PASS, but, still unsure. If I do pledge, it would be for one Excalibur Edition. I'd like to pick up a display deck, but that's not how it's structured.

For all the complaining (I was one of them) that this project wasn't up to par, Jackson Robinson hit $61,000+ already, and I don't think this deck comes close to the quality of many of his past projects! He's a machine with a massive card playing list.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby Bruno » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:59 pm  

Jacksons output predominantly being US-centric, this project mines a Euro-centric subject, giving those across the pond a hit.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby JuFiN » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:02 am  

My issue is that the Camelot version is strictly better artwork wise but because of the custom case its $36 which is way more than i'm willing to pay for a deck just because of nice art seeing as i'm not interested in the tuck so much on this one.

Then the Excalibur edition is more reasonably priced at $12, but then add $4 for shipping and that again is a higher price than the vast majority of decks with similar features. I wouldn't mind paying that extra if I felt the art justified it. But in this case given that the art is strictly worse than that of the Camelot deck it just feels i'm being ripped off no matter what version I get. If I could take the deck from Camelot edition and stick it in the Excalibur edition box and therefore pay the $16 for it I would back in an instant, but as is i'm still sitting this one out.

That said, If money was no object I would be all over this as the art is quite good in my opinion. Just a little overpriced for me, and it feels somehow wrong that the he made such a beautiful deck as the Camelot and then seemingly removed a bunch of features for no reason because its not like it costs him extra to have better artwork, for the sole purpose of forcing those who want the real completed version to pay double just because its in a silly tuck. And then STILL asks premium pricing for the ugly step brother version of the same deck. blah...
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby chach » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:00 am  

JuFiN wrote:it feels somehow wrong that the he made such a beautiful deck as the Camelot and then seemingly removed a bunch of features for no reason because its not like it costs him extra to have better artwork, for the sole purpose of forcing those who want the real completed version to pay double just because its in a silly tuck. And then STILL asks premium pricing for the ugly step brother version of the same deck. blah...


Exactly this. No reason to put out a deck with sub-par artwork. Put Camelot in a regular tuck and I'd back it. Force me to buy a gimmicky tuck that probably won't be anything like its render and I'll waive from the sidelines.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby ecNate » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:28 pm  

Yes yes yes. If only he had used the quality art and skipped the half effort I would have been all over this. Not going to spend money on a deck I don't want just to get one I do, and then over pay for a tuck I also don't feel that she worth it. Maybe next time.


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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby jerichoholic » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:34 am  

Am I the only one getting tired of Jackson Robinson just slightly modifying the courts/faces of the limited edition deck by adding unnecessary borders? At least with some previous decks he recolored the courts a bit, not the case in this one.

Oddly enough I much prefer the court cards on the standard deck and the backs of the limited deck. Pass for me, too many other better decks on KS at the moment and still waiting on his last 2 projects to deliver.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby jsantafe » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:33 pm  

The more all campaigns start to look like Minty's, the better for us all.


Although I confess I pledged here
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby Justin O. » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:33 pm  

jsantafe wrote:The more all campaigns start to look like Minty's, the better for us all.


Although I confess I pledged here


What makes Steve Minty projects worthwhile? I backed a few and found them to be pretty run of the mill kickstarter projects, not bad, but not great. They just exist.
Kickstarter completely revolutionized the way I waste money...
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby jerichoholic » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:58 pm  

Jackson is now stooping to new lows. He has just refunded my Legal Tender pledge, preventing me from making comments on the project. He's resorting to silencing people, or at least me, for commenting on stuff that is effectively his own doing in this case.

I simply posted a comment that he should not sell something without knowing if he will be able to deliver, in this case the holographic strips, which I don't think is much to ask of a playing card creator. Make some samples, test it out. I also commented that considering the delays and how much he made on the project that he could have airmailed the decks from Taiwan instead of causing another 1 month delay.

Apparently he is still sending me the 2 decks I pledged for but I'm not sure I will back anymore of his projects. Not if he can't handle some criticism.
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Re: Kings Wild Project, Arthurian -- Live on KS

Unread postby shaitani » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:47 pm  

jerichoholic wrote:Jackson is now stooping to new lows. He has just refunded my Legal Tender pledge, preventing me from making comments on the project. He's resorting to silencing people, or at least me, for commenting on stuff that is effectively his own doing in this case.

I simply posted a comment that he should not sell something without knowing if he will be able to deliver, in this case the holographic strips, which I don't think is much to ask of a playing card creator. Make some samples, test it out. I also commented that considering the delays and how much he made on the project that he could have airmailed the decks from Taiwan instead of causing another 1 month delay.

Apparently he is still sending me the 2 decks I pledged for but I'm not sure I will back anymore of his projects. Not if he can't handle some criticism.


My guess would be that he is tired of your comments in particular due to your relatively unpleasant manner of speaking your mind. So I understand why he would do that, he probably wants to cut down on the extremely negative comments. That said, I do think he's wrong, unless you're actually disrupting the project in some meaningful way, that's a harmful type of censorship. Everything I've heard you complain about in Legal Tender has been valid and JR needs to hear it. If he keeps it up and keeps silencing any criticism, his work will stagnate and his reputation will be too damaged. I hope he's not going down that path because I do like his work overall, and I don't want him to bury his reputation like he seems to be doing.
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