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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby pablo19 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:11 am  

Your alternative to getting this restoration deck from KS is this. I'm sure that, as far as restorations go, this will be one of the big ones. ;)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Old-rare-Dondorf ... :g:9ScAAOS
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come to think of it, the second photo on eBay looks EXACTLY like the one of the photos on the KS page....
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby MagikFingerz » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:14 am  

pstaehlin wrote:I'm really debating on if I should spend money on this project. Do any of you feel it's well worth the investment? Over time because this is a restoration will it grow in valve?? Help me out guys. Sell me on this? :-)

If your only concern is about how good the investment is, then I wouldn't bother. There are plenty of other better (more effective/less risky) ways of investing your money.

Buy decks that you want to keep, and you'll never regret a purchase again. Resale value is always a gamble, and if you're not willing/prepared to lose the money you "invest", then you shouldn't make the purchase.
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby pstaehlin » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:22 am  

pablo19 wrote:Your alternative to getting this restoration deck from KS is this. I'm sure that, as far as restorations go, this will be one of the big ones. ;)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Old-rare-Dondorf ... :g:9ScAAOS.
wEzxYVs1T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
come to think of it, the second photo on eBay looks EXACTLY like the one of the photos on the KS page....



I've seen this already. That's really something. $2500! See, if only we knew that in the many years to come this restoration deck will be worth that much. Thank you.
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby pstaehlin » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:24 am  

MagikFingerz wrote:
pstaehlin wrote:I'm really debating on if I should spend money on this project. Do any of you feel it's well worth the investment? Over time because this is a restoration will it grow in valve?? Help me out guys. Sell me on this? :-)

If your only concern is about how good the investment is, then I wouldn't bother. There are plenty of other better (more effective/less risky) ways of investing your money.

Buy decks that you want to keep, and you'll never regret a purchase again. Resale value is always a gamble, and if you're not willing/prepared to lose the money you "invest", then you shouldn't make the purchase.



Very well said. And thank you. This would for sure be one of the most amazing decks in my collection and I can't imagine it wouldn't grow in valve over time. Regardless though of resale value, it would be a wonderful addition to own. Thank you for your comment.
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:33 am  

pstaehlin wrote:I'm really debating on if I should spend money on this project. Do any of you feel it's well worth the investment? Over time because this is a restoration will it grow in value?I ? Help me out guys. Sell me on this? :-)

I can't wait to see what others think, but you really do have to think that as few of these as we can make (250 sets total), they won't immediately go up as far as open market price (ebay.com, etc).

The one truly difficult part of this specific restoration is that we can only make 250 copies. I feel certain that the market is larger, but constrained by the very limited number to work with. At least two people hope I am right: they got 5-pack sets on KS. If anyone wants to go that much, let me know. We're down to about 88 sets.

I feel sure that if we had been able to offer 500 sets at $60 it would be more than doubled with backers. I can't argue that it's not expensive, but we did everything we could to keep it as reasonable as possible.
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:04 pm  

pablo19 wrote:Your alternative to getting this restoration deck from KS is this. I'm sure that, as far as restorations go, this will be one of the big ones. ;)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Old-rare-Dondorf ... :g:9ScAAOS.
wEzxYVs1T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
come to think of it, the second photo on eBay looks EXACTLY like the one of the photos on the KS page....

The person (in Tucson) swapped pix with me last year looking for a buyer. At that time they wanted $4000 for the set, and I really don't know anyone who is looking to drop that much for the pair of decks. It's "down" to around $2500 last I looked?
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby Lotrek » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:12 pm  

What MagikFingerz said. There are decks you buy to resell and decks you buy to keep. Nobody can guarantee that the price will double in 2 days. But I can guarantee that if you like the look of this deck, you may never actually want to resell it.
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:54 am  

By the way, someone who pre-ordered asked if they could get Kickstarter updates.

I don't see any easy way for me to do that, but you can always pledge $1
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Re: Dondorf #1000 Hundertjahrkarte restoration - April 22 on

Unread postby Lotrek » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:10 am  

Our aim is to produce a deck that will make backers say: "Nah, who needs the original now?" :lol:
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:22 pm  

Lotrek wrote:Our aim is to produce a deck that will make backers say: "Nah, who needs the original now?" :lol:

In many ways the deck is better and more true to the original intent than even first edition 1933 decks. The process was a bear, literally 28 limestone tablets carved and were used like modern day plates just to print them.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby MagikFingerz » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:42 pm  

Mike Ratledge wrote:
Lotrek wrote:Our aim is to produce a deck that will make backers say: "Nah, who needs the original now?" :lol:

In many ways the deck is better and more true to the original intent than even first edition 1933 decks. The process was a bear, literally 28 limestone tablets carved and were used like modern day plates just to print them.

They trained A BEAR to carve the limestone tablets??

Damn, that is pretty hardcore.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:51 pm  

It was a German bear, right?
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby MagikFingerz » Fri Apr 28, 2017 5:43 pm  

Mike Ratledge wrote:It was a German bear, right?

I would assume, that's the only kind that would have enough discipline.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby pablo19 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:40 pm  

Really glad to hear you finally got the original text insert! :D
Is Cartamundi doing anything to promote the decks in Europe? I was looking for playing card forums in German, but can't find anything.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:10 pm  

pablo19 wrote:Really glad to hear you finally got the original text insert! :D
Is Cartamundi doing anything to promote the decks in Europe? I was looking for playing card forums in German, but can't find anything.

Not really. I came to them by way of the International Playing Card Society in Nederlands. They (IPCS) have been talking about it, and several backers are from that region, no previous KS experience.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby TGunitedcardists » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:46 pm  

Perhaps there needs to be a cheaper reprint in the future, at a regular price, with regular hearts/diamonds/clubs/spades. I love the artwork and would love regular suits. An original, Lotrek designed tuck and you have another winner, both in cards and on the pocket book!
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:54 am  

TGunitedcardists wrote:Perhaps there needs to be a cheaper reprint in the future, at a regular price, with regular hearts/diamonds/clubs/spades. I love the artwork and would love regular suits. An original, Lotrek designed tuck and you have another winner, both in cards and on the pocket book!

We're both looking at this wondering if we're going to lose money. I would love to be able to produce decks are a reasonable price, but the restrictions on number of sets has really put a hurting on the price, no doubt.

I think there are 83 sets left, less than one third, but I would prefer to have almost all sold before production,since I might be able to negotiate a few things now that we are funded. I think there is a full week left, actually eight days + a few hours.

The idea here - fortunately - wasn't bagging money for the bank, but trying to figure out how to get a foothold in this market. The IP rights holders aren't making it easy.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Fri May 05, 2017 11:36 am  

At this point we are down to around 70 decks, and with three days left for the KS campaign, I sent a note to users from UC. If you are reading this, you probably can ignore that short note.
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration - Funding on KS

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Tue May 23, 2017 11:48 am  

I'm trying to remember to post project updates here for UC preorder backers: (the latest)

Now we can begin work in earnest! As Lotrek turns over the finalized artwork to Cartamundi, the clock will start ticking on the production schedule, and now that we are having Cartamundi produce all decks on their best paper stock, we can expect to have them in six to eight weeks after the final artwork is approved. Somewhere in this time we will receive proofs for approval, but we hope that there is no delay or only minor changes / fixes needed, so that timing estimate stays true.

That being the case, we should be able to move the delivery time forward, but until we see proofs, we will leave it where it is. Our hope is that you are going to be seeing you Dondorf restoration sets around the end of August instead of the originally projected October.

As things move through the production phases waiting for decks and after, we will keep everyone apprised of the progress.

If you want an extra set or know someone who wants one, the 50 or so remaining sets put of 250 authorized and being printed, they are available on UCdecksales.com for a $5 premium over the Kickstarter campaign price.

Just in case you missed it during the last few days of the campaign, we were able to obtain and translate the original text insert in German from the presentation set, and it will be included - both in the original German and translated into English
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Re: Dondorf Hundertjahrkarte restoration, uncut sheets avail

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Sat May 27, 2017 10:22 pm  

Uncut sheets by Cartamundi are available with shipping worldwide for $40 +$15 shipping.
Remember, this is a crowd funded item that will not be available until October.

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