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Unread post by shermjack »

To be fair to Lotrek, I am sure that more than 130 decks were pre-ordered, so even if he did keep the good sheets to ship out to the original customers, how could he decide whom to ship a deck to and whom to not ship a deck to? At least this way, all original backers get the same while there is still an opportunity to get an improved Liturgy deck with double foiling.

It is a difficult situation for all of us that pre-ordered, but I am confident that Lotrek has spent a lot of time considering his options and he felt that this is the best one that will satisfy most of his supporter. Sure, it is not what we wanted to see, but I think that he is doing his best to provide his customers with what they deserve.
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For a 600 deck print, i'm sure many of us bought more than 1 deck. By limiting 1 deck per pre-order, it might just work. Also there are those who are happy with the 2nd print and do not wish to have the 1st print.
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Come on, get a grip
Lotrek has invested/lost heavily here already.
And if you think/pretend the product is not instantly value added, well hello ingenuousness.
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There goes all reasonable debate / discussion...
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If you say so ?
You're in charge of yer own sentiments.
Diplomacy to you too.
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Ah, i just realised what the add foe function is for......balance is restored 8-)
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You're not alone hiding there champ.
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1. I ordered a green deck and red deck (the original decks that's misaligned).

2. So I now should be getting a "GOOD" green and red deck along with an (original/misaligned) green deck making it 3 decks total?

3. If I want an original misaligned red deck with a better tuck, it's $15?


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Okay, let's take it easy...

The only common LITURGY original (or whatever you want to call it) has with LITURGY Treasure is the faces -and the stock of course.
There are no "good decks" from the first print run, in the sense that the problem occurred when I printed the back side.

When I did the first print, I kept about 150 sheets UNPRINTED on the back side because I had in mind to release the foiled edition some time in the future. When I realized the problem with the original print run, I had in my hands 600 misaligned decks and 150 sheets unprinted on the back side, therefore unharmed (remember that the misalignment is between the front and back sides).

Of course the first thing that crossed my mind was to use these 180 sheets to print the back side correctly and send 1 to each backer. If you know about offset printing, you probably know that you need a lot of sheets scrapped before you get the colors right. If you add the scrapped decks during double cutting, you end up with maybe 80 good decks (if you are lucky). And then, who gets a deck and who doesn't?

Another option would be to "bury" these sheets forever. I have scrapped (literally) tons of printed paper. I could not do that again.

I decided to go ahead and use these sheets as I had originally intended: For the foiled edition. Bad decision? Maybe. From the moment I lost the posibillity to reprint on the original stock, any decision could be bad.

All (huge) reprinting costs are on my back and I tried to sell as few "bad" decks as possible. I decided to offer a free deck to all as a gift because that's what I could afford.
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Lotrek just answered a bunch of questions I was preparing to ask.
This all makes sense, and again, there are no decisions he could have made that wouldn't piss some people off.
In his shoes, I would have made the same decision, can anyone here say they honestly would have made a different one?
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I 'd go so far as to embarrass the old codger and say that Honour is the House of Lotrek.
Above all other considerations, you will handle the Lotrek product with reverence and joy, even with their (occassional, slight) imperfection, darn it.
Priceless.
Like some of the commenters**
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dogbone72 wrote:This is unfair for those of us who pre-ordered the 1st print that will end up getting the reprints.
Then we have to fight with everyone else on UC just fork out more money to get what we originally paid for.
If you want my artistic (and only) opinion, the reprint is better than the original print. :)
No matter how much money you fork out, you are not getting what you originally paid for. This is gone forever, for all. What you'll be hopefully getting in UC is a very beautiful double foil back deck which is not a substitute to anything. It stands alone as the second so far deck with double foil on the back. ;)
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Haven't visited here in days and Lotrek sent this info out in email to his pre-orders only today. I thought on reading the email "wow! This is beautiful." And also, "bonus free deck of the mis-aligned original deck? Awesome." And also, "Opportunity to purchase another limited version deck? Who could be upset?"

I feel so foolish.


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I don't see any reason to be upset, everytime Lotrek has an issue with production and delays in shipment he ups the ante by including extra stuff, and his communication with buyers/backers is always spot on. Any claims of avarice I think are wildly out of place when it comes to his work.
Personally I've been following Lotreks fb and his comments here and he has said before that there were extra sheets, it was to be assumed these would be used for something extra special and limited. He had also been teasing the new liturgy for a time, as well as the Oath cards if you would rather save your money for those (you may also want to save up for Hyeronimus which will hopefully be out soon), which also seem to have similar faces to liturgy and Icons.
I have yet to be dissapointed by anything Lotrek has put out, and I think that is the case for all/most of people here so let's wait and see what arrives with time.
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sms69x wrote:
vincero wrote:Expected pricing under $100, when the original ideal liturgy from the same/similar multicoloured stock is ~$25... I need an explanation of how different the stock is to command the premium
Not like the original, this new version is foiled (double foil indeed), so I guess the huge price difference is there...

Thanks for the clarification. We like double foil :D :ugdance:
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Bikefanatic wrote:1. I ordered a green deck and red deck (the original decks that's misaligned).

2. So I now should be getting a "GOOD" green and red deck along with an (original/misaligned) green deck making it 3 decks total?

3. If I want an original misaligned red deck with a better tuck, it's $15?


I wrote this in steps so I can better understand it for myself and possibly others.
I didn´t see a specific response to this, but Lotrek thanked BF for it so I assume this is the case.

In which case, I am cool with this outcome. There would never be an ideal solution, but this looks like a good one.
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Yes, Bikefanatic got it right and Tom is very observant ;-)
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Regarding the new Treasure edition: how close is it to being done? Have the cards been cut? Is all that's left is to assemble the decks? Or, has that been done, as well?

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rousselle wrote:Regarding the new Treasure edition: how close is it to being done? Have the cards been cut? Is all that's left is to assemble the decks? Or, has that been done, as well?

Thanks!

They have gone through the first cut and been assembled. They only need the second cut which gives the rounded edges and once the first cut has been done correctly (it has) you need to try hard -or trust the job to a blind person- to make a mistake .
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OK, as of now the final pricing has been set, and it is as follows:

$90 for a single or pair of decks ($90 or $180), $260 for three decks ($86.66/each) and $340 for four decks ($85/each). Maximum of 4 decks per order.

The sale is not available from Facebook or any other method, only directly from UCdecksales.com starting at 12:01PM tomorrow, 27-December (Tuesday), and is strictly first come, first served. Due to the limited number of decks available (120), I might have to juggle the single decks and multiples depending on how many sets of more than one deck are bought. Please be patient if the multiples sell quickly, because I will be actively monitoring the sales and balancing those sets available.

This is a retail sale, the decks will be mailed on 5-January-2017 from Athens Greece by Lotrek and the prices shown above include shipping worldwide.
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I'll be there!

Will these be shipped individually or can the shipping cost be shared by all the previous decks for which we have already paid shipping and are also waiting for (Black mass, macabre series, Liturgy...)? :)
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Seems to me if you started using legit printing companies we would have a good product and less issues. Stop printing decks in your basement already.
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How to repel humans and disincentivise people from needing your presence.
Stop thinking what you say has relevence, ever, already.
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JUST FOR THOSE OF YOU PAYING ATTENTION, YOU _might_ FIND THE DOOR OPEN A COUPLE MINUTES EARLY (11:59am EST / New York City time).
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Toidy mins t'goooo .... !
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Bruno wrote:Toidy mins t'goooo .... !
Less than a dozen, now.
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Will it pop up on the home page (of UC store)? Or should I be refreshing the "Decks for sale" page?
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4.of.Clubs wrote:Will it pop up on the home page (of UC store)? Or should I be refreshing the "Decks for sale" page?
Home page shows Decks for sale! :)
Move on, nothing to see here.
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There is a "more decks for sale".
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4.of.Clubs wrote:There is a "more decks for sale".
That goes to the Decks for sale page.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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