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Unread postby flashcards » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:39 pm  

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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby shermjack » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:13 pm  

I like the artwork of this deck, but the fact that they ruled out the big three as printers :evil: (and even excluded MPC and NPCC), This project is an easy PASS especially with each deck at 15USD (13 for EBs).

Creator says in the comments section that the printers are 'good and they produce quality decks. You won't be disappointed'...how many times have we heard that :lol:

P.S. If someone sends Flashcards the instructions how to properly post a KS campaign with Kicktraq, please copy me as well...thanks! :D EDIT Got the instructions from Azid, thanks buddy! ;)
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS (wap)

Unread postby jerichoholic » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:28 pm  

In that case, I'm out. I don't see why creators bother using a company no one has ever heard of or that they refuse to name, and of which they can't verify the quality.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby guru » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:31 pm  

Someone was asking about it in a Facebook group, and it made me curious. I just saw that they have posted an update and have mentioned that they are going with a factory that produced Gettysburg deck. Still, no name provided of the factory itself in that update.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mo ... ts/1696788.

Gettysburg deck URL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/20 ... ying-cards.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby shermjack » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:58 am  

Guess they are talking about Shenzhen Wangjing Printing Company...can't comment on the quality because I don't own one of their decks. Maybe RJ or someone with a Wangjing deck can chime in...still definitely not a 13-15 deck imho
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby flashcards » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:05 am  

After I found the KS project, I contacted the creators and expressed my concern about them going with a no-name printer. They finally admitted that the printer is WJ Printing in China who did RJ Thomlinson's Gettysburg deck, as others have mentioned. I haven't held one of these decks so I can't speak to the quality either.

I was able to convince them to go with EPCC as a stretch goal printer. I'm going to pledge for a couple of decks in hopes that the stretch goal will be reached. If EPCC is not the printer, I will cancel, unless RJT or someone can convince me of the quality of WJ printing, although I have to agree, anything printed in China feels more like a $7 deck than a $13 deck. I think this is a great looking deck with an interesting story and design and deserves to be produced by a quality printer. I'm sure it is just first time KS jitters that are making them hesitate but when they see the pledges start to roll in, perhaps they'll gain confidence. I invited them to join us here and also suggested that they contact Maxx and Kardify to help get the word out.

To anyone interested in pledging, don't make the mistake I did and freak out when KS adds shipping to your pledge. Those are NZ dollars and the total equals out to the US dollar amount quoted. So that $36 that ends up being quoted for two decks is $36 NZD which ends up being $26 USD. Of course, you all are much smarter and more sophisticated than me so I'm sure you already had that figured out.

Finally, thanks to Azid for explaining how to post KS info here. Just go to the KS project page, copy info from your browsers header/URL line. (EDIT: I found that if there is a "?" in the line, you just copy everything to the left of it. If you copy the whole line with the "?", it doesn't work.) Then use the "kickup" button here on UC located just above the smilies on the top of the message space and then paste the url in between the code. It will then display both the KS and Kicktraq info. It is much easier than I was trying to make it. I now release this once secret info into the universe; post away. :D
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby rousselle » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:28 am  

When EPCC first started printing decks for CARC, they weren't quite *there*. But, they took Bill Kalush's feedback, improved their process, and over time became a solid alternative to USPCC (at least, in my opinion, and in many others', as well.) Their printing registration, for example, is far superior to USPCC, while their handling isn't quite as supple. Some prefer one, some prefer the other.

The Gettysburg deck, IMHO, is not quite *there* yet. But, RJ had said in previous posts that they seemed to be very open to feedback, much as was the factory that produces for EPCC/LPCC, and he said that some of the issues he had discussed with them were already being addressed. I think that, in time, this printer may earn its way into our hearts as acceptable. But, will this deck be the deck that gets them across that finish line? I'm guessing not yet. So, if you like the design and trust the producer to follow through, I say go for it. If you're not quite sold, then you may want to hold off.

Given how far MPC and EPCC have come (I'd like to see how NPCC is coming along, but I don't have any of their more recent decks just yet), and given RJ's recommendation, I suspect that this printer is a good bet to go the distance. Eventually.

If I remember correctly, the Gettysburg decks were quite sturdy, stiff, and thick. I did not have a very thorough break-in with them, but they sure did seem to hold up well to abuse (I had put them into the rotation of decks I use to play games with my sons.) I don't recall noticing them getting much more supple, however, so I'm not sure if Gettysburg cards would be your cup of tea for cardistry moves. If I recall, they fanned all clumpy, much like the NPCC Asylum decks. In fact, I seem to recall thinking at the time that I first handled NPCC's Asylum decks that they reminded me of Gettysburg. So, if you are okay with NPCC's earlier work, you may be okay with this printing house's work.

I, for one, look forward to seeing how their next collaboration with RJ goes. In the meantime, this Haere Mai project may win me over. I like what I see of the courts. Still thinking it over.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby guru » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:31 am  

flashcards wrote:After I found the KS project, I contacted the creators and expressed my concern about them going with a no-name printer. They finally admitted that the printer is WJ Printing in China who did RJ Thomlinson's Gettysburg deck, as others have mentioned. I haven't held one of these decks so I can't speak to the quality either.



Just checking if you were the one posted about this on fb group "Playing Card Community" yesterday. I replied to that thread and even sent a message to Robert Tomlinson. Haven't heard back but RJ has recommended WJ for my Ganjifa project as well when I was looking for a printer, and eventually, I settled with EPCC. One thing I've liked about EPCC is that they are very accommodative for any new custom requirements like circular cards with a special booklet etc., while the other major printers (playing card as well as game manufacturers) were taking a long time to confirm whether they can take care of all custom requirements or not.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby montenzi » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:34 pm  

Hi guys! Thanks for your comments. I just want to confirm that we have a stretch goal to print our decks with EPCC. More news next 1-2 days.

BTW, I think that WJ Printing is using the same stock from Germany, so called "Master" EPCC stock. For me - same feeling. I could be wrong.
I do love so called "French casino 310" by MPC. Same as "Classic" by EPCC/LPCC? No?

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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby flashcards » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:20 am  

Not me, guru. I don't do the Facebook.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby flashcards » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:03 am  

Just got word that the creators have added limited early birds for almost every tier. :D

I'd really like to see this project succeed and go with EPCC. I hope they can get the support they need.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby Gareth » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:50 am  

Until I read their recent update, I didn't realise the EPCC strech goal isn't as simple as it seems (or I expected). In the end (assuming they reach the $9.9k stretch, which is starting to appear doubtful IMO), they will be printing this deck with 3 printers;

  1. MPC for the "Kiwi Express" decks
  2. WJ Printing for both "First Edition" (red stripe back) and "Second Edition" (grey)
  3. EPCC for "First Edition" decks for those who opt for it.
It seems to have become a project with too many options (at least for me).
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby montenzi » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:54 pm  

Gareth wrote:Until I read their recent update, I didn't realise the EPCC strech goal isn't as simple as it seems (or I expected). In the end (assuming they reach the $9.9k stretch, which is starting to appear doubtful IMO), they will be printing this deck with 3 printers;

  1. MPC for the "Kiwi Express" decks
  2. WJ Printing for both "First Edition" (red stripe back) and "Second Edition" (grey)
  3. EPCC for "First Edition" decks for those who opt for it.
It seems to have become a project with too many options (at least for me).


Hi Gareth, "Kiwi Express" is just 4 cards with one or 1.5 weeks delivery time. With your message printed on one card. "Made for Gareth" :D

EPCC - we are happy to print one deck there but they are a little bit slow.

WJP - they are going to start offering French 310gsm stock very soon so our decks could be printed on this paper (60/40, more updates soon). We are planning to start printing next month in order to finish this project by the end of December. Or next year for EPCC decks.

3-6 months to print one deck of cards is just crazy, we all need more options.

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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby MagikFingerz » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:37 pm  

montenzi wrote:3-6 months to print one deck of cards is just crazy, we all need more options.

He may be new in this business, but... well, he ain't wrong :ugthink:
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby montenzi » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:01 pm  

Hi! 6 days left. With this level of funding we are going to print 500 decks each color, all decks printed in excess of the number required to ship to our backers, will be shipped to New Zealand. At this time we are not planning to sale this deck in the US after a Kickstarter. Thanks
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby montenzi » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:22 am  

Hi! Good news - decks will be shipped to our backers very soon.

You can find more photos in our latest update. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montenzi/haere-mai-playing-cards-from-new-zealand/posts/1777692

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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby jerichoholic » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:52 pm  

Too many unnecessary layers to remove just to open the tuck case.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby montenzi » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:45 pm  

jerichoholic wrote:Too many unnecessary layers to remove just to open the tuck case.


Open your mind, man. There is nothing "to remove" in order to open. :ugdance: IMHO this tuck box is super sexy - very good quality, good color balance, just love it. Vertical bands protect the tuck box and if you don't need those "layers", they can be removed and you'll get fresh and clean matte surface without a single word on it.
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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby montenzi » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:18 pm  

jerichoholic wrote:Too many unnecessary layers to remove just to open the tuck case.


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Re: Haere Mai: Playing Cards from NZ, live on KS

Unread postby Fes » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:59 pm  

I really like those bands. I'm not the worlds biggest tuck guy, not by any stretch of the imagination, but this nifty band thing did influence my liking of the overall product. The deck itself being the main draw for me as usual. I think it looks great, eagerly anticipating the arrival of my decks.
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