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Bikefanatic wrote:Sucks that the Bicycle version will have no foil also the back design may look better than the original design with more foil for unbranded deck.
I hope the card back will be gray or something dark to offset the foil. I doubt it since they just showed the foil.
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Looks like the creator has deleted his account in Kickstarter. Looks fishy but there doesn't seem to be any more red alerts, right?
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jsantafe wrote:Looks like the creator has deleted his account in Kickstarter. Looks fishy but there doesn't seem to be any more red alerts, right?
IMO there doesn't need to be any more red alerts- this is definitely cause for concern!
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Glad I bailed on this one. Perhaps people should start contacting playingcards.net since that is his buddy and they are doing fulfillment.
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The project claims to be of Dallas (USA) and the website now states that it is an Australian company.
In the absence of answers, we should proceed with the criminal complaint with the competent authority of their nation.
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I researched on the internet, if someone needs to identify it can provide all documentation via PM.
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Looks like Gamblers Warehouse might be the next best option to get some info:
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Anybody has a direct contact there? Not to flood them with questions.
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I have a direct contact. I just sent them a message.

That being said... this is from page 1 of this thread

"No Mike. Its not us. Its one of our clients in Dallas whom we provided consulting & fulfillment services for this project.
Don't worry guys no red flag on this one. Its legit. The project owner is self funding 50 percent of it..."
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Oh yeah, no red flags there at all. Someone we've never heard of self funding 50% of a project and everyone else seemingly wiping their hands clean of this one, Gamblers and Blackout Brother.

You have a direct contact with Concept Grafix?
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jerichoholic wrote:Oh yeah, no red flags there at all. Someone we've never heard of self funding 50% of a project and everyone else seemingly wiping their hands clean of this one, Gamblers and Blackout Brother.

You have a direct contact with Concept Grafix?
Well, I did self fund Divine Art but I was prepared from the start. I do understand where you're coming from by the way. These type of actions like changing direction post Kickstarter, not responding or providing regular updates & deleting the account is bad not just for the concerned project creator but to all other legitimate & focussed creators especially the ones who are new to Kickstarter. I checked the first page of this thread and observed that people were skeptical about the project at the start but as soon as the message from GamblersWarehouse arrived, the project just blew past the goal.

The websites associated with this company does look fishy. The address shows they are in Melbourne CBD, I might go & check this week if I get time.
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I am trying to get a hold of the creator to seek for an answer.
Before jumping to conclusions just give me 24 hours to inquire and ill get back to you.

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Thanks Eddie appreciate it...be it good or bad outcome
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I immediately raised the red flag when this came out but because of Eddie statement, I went ahead and pledged as I was reassured. I know we are waiting for Eddie's response but now this smells funny. hopefully we are all a bunch of worry warts and all is good
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Aside from the obvious fraud that this could be another tragedy, albeit much further down the list of worries, is that a nicely designed deck will have not been made. And this will certainly overtake the Army Men deck as my "Best Funded Deck That Never Was" winner.

But seriously. Let's hope we're not all screwed here.
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Well 24 hours and no answers, probably because the creator is not responding to anyone. In fact I messaged him on FB and have yet to see a response.
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I am the creator of imperium project. I would like to notify everyone that due to some unforseen circumstances I would not be able to complete this project. I would therefore start refunding the backers from next week. Backers need to email me with pledge receipt from kickstarter for a refund and paypal info on conceptgrafixsales@gmail.com
I really wanted to print these decks and deliver but unfortunately it did not go as planned. Total cost of printing and fulfillment is $45000.
I could only raise $23000 via kickstarter and had to self fund the remaining but unfortunately lost my job at the end of 2016.
Therefore it's really hard for me to continue it further.
I apologize that this could not end as intended.
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conceptgrafix wrote:I am the creator of imperium project. I would like to notify everyone that due to some unforseen circumstances I would not be able to complete this project. I would therefore start refunding the backers from next week. Backers need to email me with pledge receipt from kickstarter for a refund and paypal info on conceptgrafixsales@gmail.com
I really wanted to print these decks and deliver but unfortunately it did not go as planned. Total cost of printing and fulfillment is $45000.
I could only raise $23000 via kickstarter and had to self fund the remaining but unfortunately lost my job at the end of 2016.
Therefore it's really hard for me to continue it further.
I apologize that this could not end as intended.
Some product is better than no product. You made $26,893 US. We know you've already spent some of the money and with fees you don't have enough to refund everyone their pledges.

Make the god damn decks and ship them to your backers. It doesn't need to be USPCC and LPCC. There are other company's. If you have to use Liberty, Cartamundi, MPC, whatever. You can get two decks printed by someone for $26,893.00 US. Get some product in the hands of the backers. Everyone is going to get screwed but at least we'll have some playing cards with black brothers design this way. You already have the surveys.

Gamblers Warehouse wrote:No Mike. Its not us. Its one of our clients in Dallas whom we provided consulting & fulfillment services for this project.
Don't worry guys no red flag on this one. Its legit. The project owner is self funding 50 percent of it...
I backed because of this comment. I wonder how many others did the same.
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Unfortunate, but by refunding the money and putting out another project in the future, I think it's fine. Transparency and communication is the key. I'm looking forward to a refund and look forward to when you get everything in order for next time.
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I'm sorry to hear that things did not work out for this project. I have sent an e-mail to the given address, forwarding the e-mail receipt that was originally sent to me by Kickstarter, and including my paypal e-mail address.

I feel like you might not have done a good thing by deleting your Kickstarter account, because now it will be more difficult for you to reach out to your other backers who don't have the benefit of being on UnitedCardists.

I do hope you send out the refunds soon, as you indicate you plan to do. Assuming refunds are all sent out, I see no harm / no foul.
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When I saw Fes's comment above, I thought I should contact the creator and offer to get these decks produced by GPCC. But, in retrospect, I think there is more to this than meets the eye.

The creator deleted his Kickstarter account and it allows him not being able to communicate to his backers as well as not to offer refund via Kickstarter. I know a lot of people out there who do not prefer Paypal and I assume there are going to be a no. of backers in this category. Secondly, I noticed that there is a mention of creator deleting project images from his facebook profile on a fb group. One of the backers had shared a screenshot of his profile yesterday, and today the concerned project pic has been deleted. Now, there are also open question on whether he will be offering a full or partial refund (remember, Kickstarter and Stripe takes their cut from every pledge) and whether he will be offering refunds to all or only to backers based in US because of the fear of getting sued in US.

These type of incidents also put a dent on the credibility of new project creators on Kickstarter making backers look at each and every new project with suspicion. So, I cannot partner with anyone having such an unprofessional conduct in the field.

That being said, I've looked at the project page and no. of decks required to be fulfilled, and I do believe this project can happen with the amount raised.
If the project creator is reading this, then I will like him to contact Expert PCC for their quote, and also go to Keen Hong (fulfillment partner recommended by EPCC itself) for shipping & fulfillment out of Taiwan. Or, in fact, check with Lotrek to see if he can help in getting these 2 decks produced in Greece. I'm recommending Lotrek because he works closely with a printing press in Greece and is an expert on foiled cards. The designs do not have that kind of complexity involved as seen on projects done by Lotrek, so I believe the printing press in Greece can do it under Lotrek's supervision.

On shipping front, this is my rough numbers for fulfillment from Taiwan.

217 packages sent all over the world (with decks varying 1-5 per package) will cost approximately $1,900 .
500 packages sent all over the world (with decks varying 1-5 per package) will cost approximately $4,400.
800 packages sent all over the world (with decks varying 1-5 per package) will cost approximately $7,150.

Hope that helps.

PS: I also wish that this creator refunds all his backers and, try launching this project again after his situation improves. It is a good design and it will be a shame if it is not produced.


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Hi guys I just got refunded..
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And this is him emailing me to post
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Where's the Kickstarter email receipt number?
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I used this the email subject which Kickstarter automatically sent out
"got it! Your survey response has been submitted"

There is also another saying Yes!………
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He answered me he will be starting refunds next week. Looks like two speeds process!
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Hope he does refund everyone. As per his statement he has not used those funds and will be returning every penny back in full to each backer.
Sometimes it happens and its not just with people doing their first project. We have lost around $1500+ by trusting a creator who already fulfilled 6 projects but deleted his account on the Meridian deck and never responded.
There needs to be some accountability aspect within kickstarter as they are offering this service and paying to the creators after collecting all the pledges.
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I lost like $100 to the same creator but on King of Kings. Was supposed to refund but never did.
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Do you mean Noel Quiles or TPX and Concept Graphics are the same?
Probably you are right because he had the same "modus operandi" in this project, in king of kings and in bicycle meridian projects.
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Forwarded my Kickstarter email. Here' hoping for full refund...
Move on, nothing to see here.
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ALBERTO68 wrote:Do you mean Noel Quiles or TPX and Concept Graphics are the same?
Probably you are right because he had the same "modus operandi" in this project, in king of kings and in bicycle meridian projects.
No they are not the same.
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