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With all the many considerations that Sunish Chabba has displayed, to infer cheapness is cheapness itself. It simply ain't so.
Cheapness of Spirit least of all.

Bruno wrote:With all the many considerations that Sunish Chabba has displayed, to infer cheapness is cheapness itself. It simply ain't so.
Cheapness of Spirit least of all.

My god Bruno that's the first time I've understood one of your posts or comments.

Well said by the way!

RichK wrote:

Bruno wrote:With all the many considerations that Sunish Chabba has displayed, to infer cheapness is cheapness itself. It simply ain't so.
Cheapness of Spirit least of all.

My god Bruno that's the first time I've understood one of your posts or comments.

Well said by the way!

Maybe people missed a key word in my post. I will emphasize it for you:

vasta41 wrote:I agree. And if you're concerned about the price I would urge you not to be. More people will back this project if a better printer is used, hence "you've got to spend money to make money."

And I'm only implying that money is an issue because all of the printers the artist considered are cheaper than EPCC, LPCC, and USPCC. I'm only trying to help because I would like to see these made and I'd like them to be made by a good company.

vasta41 wrote:

RichK wrote:

Bruno wrote:With all the many considerations that Sunish Chabba has displayed, to infer cheapness is cheapness itself. It simply ain't so.
Cheapness of Spirit least of all.

My god Bruno that's the first time I've understood one of your posts or comments.

Well said by the way!

Maybe people missed a key word in my post. I will emphasize it for you:

vasta41 wrote:I agree. And if you're concerned about the price I would urge you not to be. More people will back this project if a better printer is used, hence "you've got to spend money to make money."

And I'm only implying that money is an issue because all of the printers the artist considered are cheaper than EPCC, LPCC, and USPCC. I'm only trying to help because I would like to see these made and I'd like them to be made by a good company.

I totally understood what you said. I believe Sunish wanted a company from India to print the decks further adding to the theme. But the demo deck was crappy and better that he cancel than tarnish his name.

I hope like a bunch of you he goes with better company and succeeds.

Hi All,

Yes, the main motivation was to get this Indian themed deck to be made in India. Now, it won't happen but it is okay at least I gave it a shot.

In retrospect, I think I did a good job in getting the prototype delivered to me or else it would have been a major disappointment. If I'd have got it earlier before campaign launch, it would have saved much of the effort and energy I put in last few days.

I apologize to Max though, who worked over the weekend to get the blogpost in both English & Spanish on his site (Maxplayingcards.com) as well on Social media.

Räpylätassu wrote:Through Google I found a printer in India called Asha Industries.

But yeah... Even I have to say that using Expert/Legends is your best option.

I'd tried contacting Asha long back when I was just going through all available vendors. No response over email or on phone.

PrincessTrouble wrote:Please go back to Expert. I know you want to stay in India, but the quality from EPCC will be very good.

Yeah, EPCC has been one of the best to deal with. Worked with them on the first project as well on DAPC initially. Let's see.

vasta41 wrote: I totally understood what you said. I believe Sunish wanted a company from India to print the decks further adding to the theme. But the demo deck was crappy and better that he cancel than tarnish his name.

I hope like a bunch of you he goes with better company and succeeds.

Yes, If this deck happens now, it will be via the best printers. I have been so immensely stressed over the last few days, don't want this to happen again.


Regards,
Sunish

guru wrote:In retrospect, I think I did a good job in getting the prototype delivered to me or else it would have been a major disappointment.

The fact that you canceled the campaign (which I can only imagine wasn't an easy decision) due to the quality of the sample you received speaks volumes. Not all designers would do that and I think it speaks to your work- you'd rather it be as close to perfect as possible than cut corners. Take your time and when this comes back I'm sure it will come back strong!

vasta41 wrote:

guru wrote:In retrospect, I think I did a good job in getting the prototype delivered to me or else it would have been a major disappointment.

The fact that you canceled the campaign (which I can only imagine wasn't an easy decision) due to the quality of the sample you received speaks volumes. Not all designers would do that and I think it speaks to your work- you'd rather it be as close to perfect as possible than cut corners. Take your time and when this comes back I'm sure it will come back strong!

Hear, hear!

Hi All,

I'm back with the preview of the relaunch. Going to click the button tonight itself.....

Here is the URL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/su ... n=16e7cda5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Appreciate your feedback.

Regards,
Sunish

I still don't like the one-way courts but they are beautiful so I can overlook that. I'm not crazy about the front of the tuck either- I wish it popped with color as much as the courts do! But I love everything else and I will definitely be pledging. Great job overall with the redesign and choice of printer!!

Definite back.

I wasn't crazy about the tuck front until I read about it. Very interesting. I think "Hindu Mythology inspired cards" somewhere would help.

Thanks all of you. It is live now. Here is the URL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/su ... s-relaunch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regards,
Sunish

Backed! Good luck, I hope this funds.

Backed it!

rousselle wrote:Backed it!

Same here.

rousselle wrote:Backed it!

+1

Thank you all for your support.

Rich- Thanks for the feedback you provided on the feedback page as well. Lately, I'd become overly critical of myself, and when you see so many gorgeous decks being launched on Kickstarter, it can overwhelm you sometimes. That said, I worked on your suggestions, thanks again.

All- Lots of learning in the last few weeks after I'd canceled the last campaign. I was trying out the possibility of foil on card back & tuck (both inner & outer) but, in the end, it all fell flat. It was a new design and though, I was working with a professional, the technical complexities in Production made it apparent that the new design won't stand the chance of what my initial expectations were. May be, I just got carried away and got overconfident in thinking that it would be a piece of cake. Having experienced all this now, I've got more appreciation towards the work done by Lotrek. Someone had recommended to get in touch with him long back but I didn't and in retrospect,I can see that it could have saved a lot of time if I'd talked to an expert like him.

Anyways, please feel free to reach out for any question, feedback & suggestions.

Backed again! Good luck with the deck, it's a looker

Wish all the luck, but will have to pass, too many great projects runnig at the same time.... decisons, choices have to be made.

The artwork is great, I'm sure will get this deck later in the after market.

sms69x wrote:Wish all the luck, but will have to pass, too many great projects runnig at the same time.... decisons, choices have to be made.

The artwork is great, I'm sure will get this deck later in the after market.

Thanks. Glad you like it, and yes, I do understand the dilemma of choice.



Take care.

Prototype deck review by Magic Orthodoxy.



Note that the card back and tuck have old designs as there in the earlier campaign.

Got this impromptu cardistry video shot @ Eclipse Games Store today.



For some pics, you can take a look at the project update here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/su ... ts/1713956

Love the Batman shirt!

All,

FYI...uncut sheet combo has been added as a reward tier.

So it appears Sunish is going to cancel and relaunch this campaign while self-funding the rest. While doing so he is also going to change the printer to an unknown company.

This is a new printer (name won't be revealed) but after checking the samples, and how they work, I'm hopeful that the product to be produced will be great.

As someone who has never created or printed a deck of cards but has collected over 1,000 I urge Sunish not to do this. I understand the financial issues that might surround this project but please- if you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly. Every single time a designer prints a deck outside of USPCC, EPCC or LPCC it falls short not matter how "similar" or "comparable" the stock/finish is claimed to be. Every. Single. Time. Please oh pretty please just re-work your tuck design and come back when you're ready to print with one of the big boys. I think it's not out of line to say that this hobby isn't just about a nice design and good artwork. The printer is just as important if not more. Taking above average work to a below average printer is a mistake.

vasta41 wrote:So it appears Sunish is going to cancel and relaunch this campaign while self-funding the rest. While doing so he is also going to change the printer to an unknown company.

This is a new printer (name won't be revealed) but after checking the samples, and how they work, I'm hopeful that the product to be produced will be great.

As someone who has never created or printed a deck of cards but has collected over 1,000 I urge Sunish not to do this. I understand the financial issues that might surround this project but please- if you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly. Every single time a designer prints a deck outside of USPCC, EPCC or LPCC it falls short not matter how "similar" or "comparable" the stock/finish is claimed to be. Every. Single. Time. Please oh pretty please just re-work your tuck design and come back when you're ready to print with one of the big boys. I think it's not out of line to say that this hobby isn't just about a nice design and good artwork. The printer is just as important if not more. Taking above average work to a below average printer is a mistake.

Ohh...wow...it came pretty fast up here. First of all, it has been a carefully thought out decision and I've been working on it for past few months. One day or the other, I was to come up with this. The existing campaign just gave me an impetus to try it out soon enough. I do understand the risks of failure, it can even turn a bear as well, as you said above. But, if I don't try then how will you or I know. Think about it the other way. EPCC, LPCC also started few years back, they tested the market and experimented with the products, and reached this position today wherein their name comes along with USPCC,and if a deck is not done by top 3 then it doesn't find those many takers. It can happen that quality is not right for the first run, but the feedback can only come from the market, right? And, because I've not divulged the name of the printer, it is still not right to say that it will be a low quality printer and quality will fall short not matter how "similar" or "comparable" the stock/finish is claimed to be. What if I'm working with a printer who does the work for one or more of top 3. Do you know the name of the printers that do the work for EPCC & LPCC in Taiwan & China? With the exception of just a few people in the forum, majority doesn't know.

Isn't it a big assumption, then? Moreover, it is just not about financial issues. While trying to find a suitable printer, I'd to shell out big bucks to get samples from all printers I reached out to, and in some cases, they had to print a copy just for me because of the requirement. I put a lot of effort in finding someone, and then negotiating and I just want to take the matter to the conclusion otherwise, I'll always be feeling that I just fell short of the finish line. I don't want to get a feeling like that. One advantage that this partnership has given me is expedite processing of my order which won't have been possible before. Lastly, I'm taking the risk on me.

How many times has it happened that a deck production got delayed or the rendering doesn't match the print or the border on the back is way too big, gold foil start to chip off from the tuck box or in some cases delivery in 4 months turned into 12 or in a lot of cases didn't happen. This can happen with successful creators going with top 3 printers and even newbies. In my case, I'm trying to mitigate major risks and whatever I can think of, I'm trying to manage.

I do appreciate your concern and since you took time out, and expressed here, I'm, indeed,grateful. Whether or not you become a backer, you will get a deck for sure. Then, I do hope it will find a place in your esteemed collection.

You certainly don't need to give me a deck although I do appreciate it. The fact that you're taking this project on yourself is the only reason why I'm cautioning you. If you were to launch another KS campaign with a different printer then I say "no harm, no foul" and you can test the market without committing to anything (if it doesn't fund). But taking the risk of printing a deck by a company that uses an unknown printed has never EVER worked out here. Sure, you could be the first. But I'm not that optimistic. I wish you luck because I truly enjoy this deck but I'm sure I won't be the only person here to advise you against what you're doing.

It is quite a conundrum that we often see here: is it better to print a sub-par deck or never print one at all?

guru wrote:What if I'm working with a printer who does the work for one or more of top 3.

If you are, please say so (you don't have to name the printer just that it's the same Taiwanese factory that EPCC/LPCC uses, for example). Knowing this would instill much more faith in the quality of your deck.

vasta41 wrote:It is quite a conundrum that we often see here: is it better to print a sub-par deck or never print one at all?

My personal opinion is it would be better to never have printed one at all.

PrincessTrouble wrote:

vasta41 wrote:It is quite a conundrum that we often see here: is it better to print a sub-par deck or never print one at all?

My personal opinion is it would be better to never have printed one at all.

I agree. This may sound ignorant of me but if you can't fund a deck using one of the 3 main companies, it shouldn't be funded at all IMO (unless of course you're doing crazy experiments like Lotrek). Having said that I think this deck has the potential.