Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby chach » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:18 pm  

Justin O. wrote:I actually really don't like his courts at all, but I absolutely love everything else about the deck and can't wait for this next one!


Dude... ;)
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby Justin O. » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:21 pm  

AWWW That cat rocks!
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson (wap)

Unread postby Siege » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:21 am  

I go back to using the Grail Edition pretty frequently - a brilliant all rounder..

The Shadows backs remind me a lot of the Bicycle Legacy black deck, but done, eh, well...
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Shadows of History - latest concepts

Unread postby RickDavidson » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:10 am  

Hi everyone, hope it's been a good year for you so far. Thanks for the initial feedback here, always appreciate it. Thought I'd drop a quick progress report and preview of the latest concepts.

So here is a look at the art in the Shadows deck at this stage - always under refinement. Happy to hear your thoughts. I've completed solid drafts of most of the artwork and I'm now into the business end of things - campaign planning etc. Slow going getting quotes, but the goal is a deck of the same high quality as the first Origins decks - premium tuck stock, embossed, foiled, high end card stock. I don't have the info I need to throw out dates, but when I have more detail, I'll let you know. Cheers guys!

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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby jerichoholic » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:27 am  

Looking good buddy
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby RichK » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:19 am  

Man this deck looks good. Will go nicely with the first ones I bought finally.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby ecNate » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:41 pm  

I've cut back lately, but Origins is still one of my favorites and this is right up there. I'm in, looks great! Date???
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby chach » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:27 pm  

Ya know, a nice copper gilding like UUSI did on some of their decks would look incredible with this deck. Something to look into for an ultra limited edition. I'd auction off naming right for my first born for something like that.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby RickDavidson » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:16 am  

Yes a small limited edition run is something I'd love to do. The USPCC were pretty inflexible on quantities for the original Origins decks and cost for the standard deck specs already isn't cheap. But there are other options. Dates - I'm waiting on quotes and production times which is dragging on a little. Hope to have things nailed down in the next couple of weeks. End of year is rapidly approaching.

What's the general feeling on gilding? And here's a question for you, outside of the USPCC how do you rate the competition? Have a personal favourite for quality?

Currently experimenting with shading options - flat colour / shaded.

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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby vasta41 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:30 am  

I say USPCC and gilding all the way. Go big or go home! On second thought, don't gild all of them- maybe do a small amount of gilding for a higher price. And I love both courts but the shaded one seems to catch my eye a bit more.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby Stockholm17 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:54 am  

guilding is awesome!

be aware of industrial guilding, in my opinion it is quite a bummer. you see the marks of the industrial process. At least this is what I saw so far
great job with this deck!
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby TGunitedcardists » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:35 am  

RickDavidson wrote:Yes a small limited edition run is something I'd love to do. The USPCC were pretty inflexible on quantities for the original Origins decks and cost for the standard deck specs already isn't cheap. But there are other options. Dates - I'm waiting on quotes and production times which is dragging on a little. Hope to have things nailed down in the next couple of weeks. End of year is rapidly approaching.

What's the general feeling on gilding? And here's a question for you, outside of the USPCC how do you rate the competition? Have a personal favourite for quality?

Currently experimenting with shading options - flat colour / shaded.

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Legends or EPCC all the way. People aren't going to buy unless it's got the Bicycle logo. Some people might be disappointed, but those same people are still going to purchase. The quality of Legends and EPCC are both excellent. Your profit margin will also actually be better. King's Wild went with EPCC with it's latest project. Stockholm 17 is going with EPCC with their Gemini cards. Didn't hurt them in the slightest. Won't hurt you either. The fact you don't have to purchase/accept plus or minus 10%, it's probably cheaper than USPCC and you're able to offer backers a reduced price...and the registration is superior also plays into, I would think...

And there are many of us who prefer EPCC and Legends than USPCC! :)
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby vasta41 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:38 am  

TGunitedcardists wrote:Legends or EPCC all the way. People aren't going to buy unless it's got the Bicycle logo. Some people might be disappointed, but those same people are still going to purchase.


You described me to a tee! I'd still prefer USPCC.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby shermjack » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:40 am  

RickDavidson wrote:Yes a small limited edition run is something I'd love to do. The USPCC were pretty inflexible on quantities for the original Origins decks and cost for the standard deck specs already isn't cheap. But there are other options. Dates - I'm waiting on quotes and production times which is dragging on a little. Hope to have things nailed down in the next couple of weeks. End of year is rapidly approaching.

What's the general feeling on gilding? And here's a question for you, outside of the USPCC how do you rate the competition? Have a personal favourite for quality?

Currently experimenting with shading options - flat colour / shaded.

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LOVE the shaded version...softens things a bit, yet adds character...either way, am definitely looking forward to this project! :ugdance:
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby PrincessTrouble » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:00 am  

RickDavidson wrote: And here's a question for you, outside of the USPCC how do you rate the competition? Have a personal favourite for quality?


Legends FTW!
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby Räpylätassu » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:30 am  

My vote for the shadowed version too, the queens face looks much better.

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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby RichK » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:29 pm  

RickDavidson wrote:Yes a small limited edition run is something I'd love to do. The USPCC were pretty inflexible on quantities for the original Origins decks and cost for the standard deck specs already isn't cheap. But there are other options. Dates - I'm waiting on quotes and production times which is dragging on a little. Hope to have things nailed down in the next couple of weeks. End of year is rapidly approaching.

What's the general feeling on gilding? And here's a question for you, outside of the USPCC how do you rate the competition? Have a personal favourite for quality?

Currently experimenting with shading options - flat colour / shaded.

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Did USPCC fix their gilding machine? I know JR and Edgy Bros. had to have the Texas and Royal House gilded elsewhere. For me gilded means more money for same deck as standard. A gilded upgraded deck is worth more to me and worth paying extra for.

Print them with MPC! :lol:

I love the flat coloring, red and blue, but the shaded has much needed skin tones. Any way to combine them? The all red body, not head gear, has too much red to me but the shading looks great.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby PrincessTrouble » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:19 pm  

RichK wrote:I love the flat coloring, red and blue, but the shaded has much needed skin tones. Any way to combine them? The all red body, not head gear, has too much red to me but the shading looks great.


Yes, this! The shaded version with more blue.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby rousselle » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:26 pm  

I like both (shaded and not so shaded). Offer two different decks, and I'll buy them both. Om nom nom.

As for printers, I'm very much fond of LPCC/EPCC's quality. Not sure which finish is my favorite.

Given how expensive gilding is, I'd really like to see a non-gilded (and, therefore, less expensive) option available, because I do intend to buy more than just a deck or two of each style you make available.

Just sayin'.
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Re: Origins - Shadows of History by Rick Davidson

Unread postby sinjin7 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:19 pm  

Honestly, I've been over gilded decks for a while now. Granted, its a pretty look, but only when a deck is unused and unshuffled. Once you use the deck, the shine eventually wears off - literally. When the deck is in actual use, whether in a poker game or cardistry, it becomes almost un-noticeable. And don't get me started on the negative affect on handling. I just feel that playing cards are meant to be played with, and there's something to be said about the satisfaction of being able to touch, feel, and handle these wonderful works of art we all love so much.

The ultra-premium option I'm most in favor of is Metallux/foiled cards. Give me shiny foil on the back of every card over a gilded deck any day! I find myself passing on paying the high premiums for gilded decks, even Uusi's gilded decks (which are by far the best in the industry), but if it's a well done Metallux or foiled back, I'm all over it.

As for the coloring, I'm going to side with the name of the deck itself - Shadows of History - and vote for the shaded colors on the courts.

In regards to printers, there will be some who will not want to admit it, but the USPCC is still king of the hill and all others are just trying to catch up. But if you have go outside of the USPCC, I would suggest getting in touch directly with the Taiwanese printer that EPCC/LPCC and others use. Set yourself up as the Davidson Playing Cards Company and negotiate directly with the Taiwanese printer and cut out the middle men (EPCC/LPCC).
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