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I really like the back design.

I'm not a fan of the courts or the spade pip. In addition, I really like the pips to be on both the top and bottom of the card, not just the top.

I absolutely love the jokers.

I would have loved to see the back design on a more traditional deck around this theme.
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TGunitedcardists wrote:I really like the back design.

I'm not a fan of the courts or the spade pip. In addition, I really like the pips to be on both the top and bottom of the card, not just the top.

I absolutely love the jokers.

I would have loved to see the back design on a more traditional deck around this theme.
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Hi fellows.
Today I want to show you custom seal for this deck. Will be available as a stretch goal for both decks.
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That custom seal is a bad idea. With the way the flap is printed, to close the tuck with the flap outside breaks up the continuity of the back design of the tuck box. Plus, after you break the seal to open the box, what happens to it? You would have to tuck the top flap back into the box to securely close it and all you would have left is a fragment of the seal still stuck in the middle of the tuck box's back design, which again, would be marring the back design of the box. This is not a well conceived design and I would choose a different stretch goal.

If you want to keep the concept of the flap outside of the box with the seal, then you need to change the printing of the flap so that it blends in with the back design. You would have to somehow figure out a way to make the seal re-usable after opening the box as well, or else it pretty much becomes useless and in the way after you open the box for the first time.
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sinjin7 wrote:That custom seal is a bad idea. With the way the flap is printed, to close the tuck with the flap outside breaks up the continuity of the back design of the tuck box. Plus, after you break the seal to open the box, what happens to it? You would have to tuck the top flap back into the box to securely close it and all you would have left is a fragment of the seal still stuck in the middle of the tuck box's back design, which again, would be marring the back design of the box. This is not a well conceived design and I would choose a different stretch goal.

If you want to keep the concept of the flap outside of the box with the seal, then you need to change the printing of the flap so that it blends in with the back design. You would have to somehow figure out a way to make the seal re-usable after opening the box as well, or else it pretty much becomes useless and in the way after you open the box for the first time.

I understand what you saying and this is right issue. Maybe we are going to use unstick seals or changing packaging method.
Otherwise I use almost the same image on the back of tuck box as on the face part so this is not huge problem to stick it with seal.
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Good news everyone!

I'm glad to announce you that Renaissance - playing cards will be launched on Kickstarter at the end of this month!
I want to say a lot of thanks to Don Boyer and Ben Jones who made a great contribution to the development of this project.

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I need one of those limited editions. Theeeeey're great!
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I just got a prototype and I'm liking these. Thanks Ben for the deck!
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Hi Guys,

We will be launching this deck in just under 1 week from now! Very exciting :)

The RENAISSANCE decks will feature:

- Printed by Legends Playing Cards Company.
- Thicker Robusto card stock for a genuine medieval feel.
- Red wax-style seal.
- Intricate custom numbered seal on the Limited Gold deck (if unlocked)
- Authentic out-of-the box tuck flap packaging.
- Beautiful and Intricate 2-way back design for both decks.
- Unique coat of arms for each suit- subtle background design.
- Earlybird rewards for the fast backers!
- FREE shipping to the US!

The designs are super-intricate - make sure to check out the high resolution images of the backs, jokers and courts!

Here is the project preview link if you would like to have a look before it goes live:
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I am very excited to be working with Egor on this project, and hope you will join us next Tuesday 26th July:
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Everything looks pretty good on this one except the Authentic out-of-the box tuck flap packaging.
So once you open your deck that's it, you need to be very careful to not let the cards fall out the box... This is just too stupid, why would someone want a tuck case without a flap, it was better if you removed the tuck box and just wrap the deck in a rubber band at least this way you would be sure that all the cards would stay together..
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sms69x wrote:Everything looks pretty good on this one except the Authentic out-of-the box tuck flap packaging.
So once you open your deck that's it, you need to be very careful to not let the cards fall out the box... This is just too stupid, why would someone want a tuck case without a flap, it was better if you removed the tuck box and just wrap the deck in a rubber band at least this way you would be sure that all the cards would stay together..
What do you mean?
1. Remove seal.
2. Put flap into box
3. ........?
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EgorKlychnyk wrote:
sms69x wrote:Everything looks pretty good on this one except the Authentic out-of-the box tuck flap packaging.
So once you open your deck that's it, you need to be very careful to not let the cards fall out the box... This is just too stupid, why would someone want a tuck case without a flap, it was better if you removed the tuck box and just wrap the deck in a rubber band at least this way you would be sure that all the cards would stay together..
What do you mean?
1. Remove seal.
2. Put flap into box
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4. PROFIT.
That's an awfully big flap to try to stuff into the box and pull back out. Plus you'll have part of the seal potentially on it possibly sticking to the card or making it harder to put in and out of the box.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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Fournier decks have even bigger flaps and I don't have any issues with them. Only possible problem I see here is that if the seal does not hold in place. So you need to make sure that they are strong enough, otherwise I don't see anything wrong with that.
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I have a deck somewhere with a similarly large flap and haven't had any issues with it
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Thanks Rapylatassu and Justin for the info.
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Hey guys,

Just want to clarify a bit further - once the seal is broken and the deck opened, the flap will fold back inside the tuckbox just like a normal deck. It is the same size and will function exactly the same as a normal deck after opening. We have chosen to use this construction method to emulate old-style decks, but with the ability to convert back if you want to.

Other decks function with a larger tuck flap, but this is stylish and unique :)
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Fud wrote:Hey guys,

Just want to clarify a bit further - once the seal is broken and the deck opened, the flap will fold back inside the tuckbox just like a normal deck. It is the same size and will function exactly the same as a normal deck after opening. We have chosen to use this construction method to emulate old-style decks, but with the ability to convert back if you want to.

Other decks function with a larger tuck flap, but this is stylish and unique :)
Thank you for the clarification.
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Hello guys!
A quick update before launching our project:
We decide to rename this deck to Medieval - playing cards. Because "Renaissance playing cards" alredy exists and it was lauched on kickstarter a few years ago.

Do not worry about this, we changed only name of the deck. Everything else remains the same.
And don't forget - launch tomorrow (26th July) at 3pm UTC/ 11am EDT/ 8am PDT on Kickstarter.com.

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Hi Everyone,

Just want to let you know that the awesome MEDIEVAL Deck is now LIVE on KS!

Check it out and pick up some decks :)

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Really hope the limited gold deck unlocks. Good luck!
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PrincessTrouble wrote:Really hope the limited gold deck unlocks. Good luck!
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Here's what I find amusing: this guy comes here to promote his deck and a lot of people gave feedback and suggestions, and he listened to NOBODY. He changed nothing about his deck and didn't take anyone's advice (and there were some good suggestions for improvement to his deck). Don't get me wrong, it's his deck and his design and his prerogative, but it also tells you a little something about the designer, though.

At the end of the day, this deck has a nice back design, but that's the only thing appealing for me. Don't like the one-way courts, not a fan of the pips, and I hate the tuck with the ridiculous deck seal slapped right in the middle of the tuck box to hold the flap of what is in essence merely an untucked box. When I open the deck, the seal is destroyed and I have to tuck the flap in like a regular deck, so it's no longer novel. Plus, I'll have a fragment of the ripped seal still stuck in the middle of the back of the tuck box, can't imagine that looking attractive. And speaking of the tuck, as it stands today, there's no embossing, no foil or even metallic ink, no bells or whistles of any kind. Sorry, but I'm not paying $15 for an LPCC deck without any bells or whistles on the tuck. I'm out.
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I'd be surprised if this funds let alone hit the $15k for the limited deck....
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alric wrote:Here's what I find amusing: this guy comes here to promote his deck and a lot of people gave feedback and suggestions, and he listened to NOBODY. He changed nothing about his deck and didn't take anyone's advice (and there were some good suggestions for improvement to his deck). Don't get me wrong, it's his deck and his design and his prerogative, but it also tells you a little something about the designer, though.

At the end of the day, this deck has a nice back design, but that's the only thing appealing for me. Don't like the one-way courts, not a fan of the pips, and I hate the tuck with the ridiculous deck seal slapped right in the middle of the tuck box to hold the flap of what is in essence merely an untucked box. When I open the deck, the seal is destroyed and I have to tuck the flap in like a regular deck, so it's no longer novel. Plus, I'll have a fragment of the ripped seal still stuck in the middle of the back of the tuck box, can't imagine that looking attractive. And speaking of the tuck, as it stands today, there's no embossing, no foil or even metallic ink, no bells or whistles of any kind. Sorry, but I'm not paying $15 for an LPCC deck without any bells or whistles on the tuck. I'm out.
He stated the courts are one way to reflect the court cards of the time period. I have no problem with that. The art on the deck is good. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean he didn't take the suggestions into consideration nor does he have to.

I am however unsure as to why they would have tiers for the limited edition deck when the chances of that being unlocked is probably not the best.
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Hi guys. I'm not the designer so I can't answer everything, but I did have a hand in the campaign page so I can give some answers to help clear things up.
alric wrote:Here's what I find amusing: this guy comes here to promote his deck and a lot of people gave feedback and suggestions, and he listened to NOBODY. He changed nothing about his deck and didn't take anyone's advice (and there were some good suggestions for improvement to his deck). Don't get me wrong, it's his deck and his design and his prerogative, but it also tells you a little something about the designer, though.
I can't speak for Egor here, but I know that he had a strong vision of what he wanted to make coming in. The structure was based on the old-style of decks which he accomplished, and he made something different to most other decks out there - commendable. The 1-way courts aren't unusual, lots of decks have custom pips, and I understand that it is standard to offer a basic deck with tuck upgrades through stretch goals.
jerichoholic wrote:I am however unsure as to why they would have tiers for the limited edition deck when the chances of that being unlocked is probably not the best.
Those tiers were put in so that the limited edition deck (if it unlocked) would remain limited without having to include a heap new rewards. If we didn't have them and it unlocked, then everyone who wanted a limited deck would have to change rewards to make sure only 1000 were selected. We thought it would be simpler in the long run.

Hopefully that helps. As I said I am not the designer, nor was I involved in the design stage, however it does seem unfair to slam a project because you don't like all the aspects, or because the artist didn't bend to all the suggestions. I know several artists who make something the way they want to, just because that's how they want it. For myself, I think making endless variations of the same style is boring and commend anyone who wants to try and break the mold. I think it is a really unique deck which would look great on a collectors shelf. If I open it I will either remove the rest of the sticker or have a bit left over on the back which is no big deal - if I open a deck I intend to play with it, not look at it.
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So, if the limited doesn't unlock and people pledged for one of those tiers, they will have paid more money for standard decks than the other backers, am I right? It sure is a bet for unlocking!
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jsantafe wrote:So, if the limited doesn't unlock and people pledged for one of those tiers, they will have paid more money for standard decks than the other backers, am I right? It sure is a bet for unlocking!
You are correct. So towards the end of the project, if I feel it won't get unlocked, I'll be switching tiers.
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This campaign is just too funny.
The guy created tiers counting on something that he don't know if he's going to achieve, and thus hoping that people that pledged for those tiers to forget about it and then getting a $10 deck but paying $15, its a nice move to get extra bucks without any trouble... Good luck!
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sms69x wrote:This campaign is just too funny.
The guy created tiers counting on something that he don't know if he's going to achieve, and thus hoping that people that pledged for those tiers to forget about it and then getting a $10 deck but paying $15, its a nice move to get extra bucks without any trouble... Good luck!
This was done with the Teliad project too. Pledge for 2 standard decks plus the limited deck and if deck #3 goal was reached (it wasn't disappointedly) you would get that and not two of the standard.

I hate to say it but if the limited isn't reached I'm dropping down to just one deck.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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