Kings Wild Black Diamond Tally Ho

[rousselle]

Didn't get these myself, but it's sad to see such poor registration (which isn't on the producer, but the manufacturer).

The USPCC just keeps shooting themselves in the foot with this, don't they? As the top playing card manufacturer they should really take measures to fix it, but I guess "the wolf on top of the hill is not as hungry as the wolf climbing the hill" (massive bonus points to whoever knows where the quote is from).

Um... Anita Hill? Thomas Wolfe?

[MagikFingerz]

Didn't get these myself, but it's sad to see such poor registration (which isn't on the producer, but the manufacturer).

The USPCC just keeps shooting themselves in the foot with this, don't they? As the top playing card manufacturer they should really take measures to fix it, but I guess "the wolf on top of the hill is not as hungry as the wolf climbing the hill" (massive bonus points to whoever knows where the quote is from).

Um... Anita Hill? Thomas Wolfe?

No. But I suppose I can't guarantee that it hasn't appeared more than one place.

[ccralleo]

What do folks mean when they use the word registration?


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[shermjack]

What do folks mean when they use the word registration?
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Basically how the back design is centered on the back of the card...if you look at the picture that PrincessTrouble shows, the design is much closer to the side of the card than the other...in other words, poor registration, which is quite common with USPC decks...if you look at Legends and Expert decks, the registration is usually spot on (both sides have equal borders)

[PrincessTrouble]

Didn't get these myself, but it's sad to see such poor registration (which isn't on the producer, but the manufacturer).

Totally. Not faulting Jackson at all; it's USPCC. This is really my only gripe with them. But it's so bothersome to me that I'll cut way back on my USPCC purchases since they seem to be doing nothing to improve the issue. I'm always so relieved now when I see a deck design I like and the artist decides to go with Legends or Expert. I'd rather wait much longer for a deck with perfect registration to be produced and shipped on a slow boat than a USPCC deck with crappy registration that gets produced and shipped in a shorter time.

I also think the big fat borders that USPCC requires (ala the Texas deck) are ugly but I could deal with them if they were even and centered!

[badpete69]

And the unholy trinity of Tally Ho legacy decks is now complete

[Cardians]

The box looks more brown then black.. Can you take a picture of the other side...

Thanks,

[Bruno]

Imagine the print run.
The alternating application of various colours/foils/embossing over the length of that run.
How all must align/conform, i.e. 'Register' .... exactly on the card stock every run.
Imagine how all may incrementally shift/mis-align if not registered to the same mark. See your uncut sheets, colour tones, registration marks all assist in the >Register< so that the end result is centred and uniform, in confirmation to the original design.
Then, Cut that to same.
Factor in pressure of work schedule, skill/unskilled effort, an entire raft of neccessary application to the job, and the result of much work is marred by incremental shift.
Tzzzzz.
Ask the bloke in Athens.
Ummm. No don't.

[badpete69]

The box looks more brown then black.. Can you take a picture of the other side...

Thanks,

[JuFiN]

Hmm, sad that it doesnt have a matching TALLY-HO on the black box. Could have carved it in or something.

[shermjack]

Love the matching set Pierre! This proves that you are the DEVIL

[MagikFingerz]

Love the matching set Pierre! This proves that you are the DEVIL

Nah, he just made a deal with him. Which means that Jackson Robinson is the devil

[Bikefanatic]

How big is a Legacy case or something else that's comparable in size?

[shermjack]

How big is a Legacy case or something else that's comparable in size?

Approx 3 1/4 in wide x 4 3/5 in high x 1 7/8 in deep

[UtterFool]

Interesting

The signatures are all different.
the first and the third are close but still significantly different

[Siege]

I was sad to hear that the KW King's head logo never worked out. It was the main aesthetic reason I backed. It's a significant design shift.

[Bruno]

Sigs.
I see JacksonRobinson in the middle.
To the top/bottom are inverted Jackson alone
Pretty safe.

[Cardians]

I was sad to hear that the KW King's head logo never worked out. It was the main aesthetic reason I backed. It's a significant design shift.

I agree 100%.

The fact that Jackson prefers to NOT say anything until someone receives and uploads a picture to the forum is unprofessional by him.

I'm sure these kinda changes would greatly help us backers' decision to support his work during the campaign. Nowhere on the KS Black Diamond page does it state: The artwork, overall design, and/or materials are subject to change at any point for any of the rewards, including but not limited to the decks of playing cards and the additional rewards offered.

And now today, an update is sent regarding the Tactical Versions stating Underground Tactical back out last minute!?!?

Common Jackson, this news to the 6 people that are waiting on receiving them is a huge blow. You stated "their design and quality is unmatched."

With you seeking another supplier (which could takes months to complete & ship) how can you guarantee the quality & design you speak of, will still be there??? At $350 a pop (minus the two decks @$27) I'd sure hope so...!

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

[RichK]

I was sad to hear that the KW King's head logo never worked out. It was the main aesthetic reason I backed. It's a significant design shift.

I received my Legcy yesterday and think the seal design is a nicer look. My first Legacy from KW and looking at the 3 Tally-Ho's in Pierre's picture having the black one say Tally-Ho would have looked better.

[Bikefanatic]

These days it's just best to only get the cards and not the accessories. The cards are the main selling point and it's cool to have different, unique items but doesn't always go as planned. I know it's mostly not the creator's fault but the manufacturer's.

With that said, the Tactical cases may not be bullet proof afterall.

[rousselle]

I'm sure that in many cases (see what I did there?), this may be true, but I've never, ever been disappointed in choosing to select a Jackson Robinson coin, when one has been available, nor coins from other established project creators like Randy Butterfield, Steve Minty, and many others. Yes, I know that some accessories have complicated some projects, but this is part of the deal with backing artists; sometimes their vision doesn't come to fruition as originally anticipated.

So, pick your risks and let 'em ride.

[ccralleo]

I can assure you all, that these tactical cases will be better than expected... That's all I can say![emoji6]


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[chach]

I had a long ol' response to this all typed out, but figured I'd delete it and just say I'm disappointed in JR again. That the legacy buyers, the ones that plunked down the most money are getting their crap changed on them without any prior notice? That's just horseshit. And come on, the supplier for the tactical edition "suddenly backed out"? This project ended in what, December? Why weren't the aluminum cases already in production at that time or close to it? Just screams poor supervision.

Anyways, it bears repeating I guess, "Personally I've learned to wait and see what we actually get before believing anything written by Jackson."

[Cardians]

I can assure you all, that these tactical cases will be better than expected... That's all I can say!

ccralleo, how can you be so sure and state the above comment considering it's not coming from the mouth of JR himself?

Like I said in my previous post, how can we (the tactical purchasers) be guaranteed the same quality & design that we were expecting when we pledged $400+ on November 30th??

How are you able to state they going to be better then expected considering there not being produced from the same manufacturer. For all we know (until Jackson can clarify) they can show up in a cheap flimsy tin box, hand engraved with "Tally-Ho" on it and we just accept it for what it is.

What, if any, information do you have that we don't?

I'm disappointed in JR again.

+1 on that statement!

And come on, the supplier for the tactical edition "suddenly backed out"? This project ended in what, December? Why weren't the aluminum cases already in production at that time or close to it? Just screams poor supervision.

That exactly how I feel. Why now send an update stating, "The manufacturer we had hired to produce them suddenly decided to back out and we have spent the last few weeks trying to locate a new manufacturer." The last few weeks?

So I get the following from that statement:
1) JR decided to NOT inform any of us the day they backed out.
2) JR still hasn't found a supplier. (weeks later)
3) It's up in the air right now.
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[RichK]

I think JR is trying to do too many projects at the same time. Now I worry about the Legal Currency decks since we've seen very few of his designs and no number cards. I do remember seeing something like "final product may look different" type of language to protect himself if radical or subtle changes are made without updating us.

[CBJ]

Looks like Pierre decided to part with his demonic possessions....


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I doubt that anyone (other than Jackson who probably has all the #1s) will ever have another matching set.


Jay

[badpete69]

Thanks jay now I will be making the crack list

[chach]

Looks like Pierre decided to part with his demonic possessions....


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I doubt that anyone (other than Jackson who probably has all the #1s) will ever have another matching set.


Jay

Nah, when you got the legacy's JR asks if you've bought em before and what serial number you received so he can try and match you up. I have the same serial numbers for the first two but wasn't lucky enough to get this edition's.

Pierre, I don't ink you'd make the crack list, looks like a fair price for 3 legacies to me. Tempts me to unload my remaining ones, along with the Texas one.

[sms69x]

I think JR is trying to do too many projects at the same time.

That's the main problem.
Right now he has Texas (still finalizing the legagy), Balck Diamond (searching for a manufacter for the Tactical), Crazy 8's (...) and Legal Tender (a lot of work still to be done, we pledged for that based on a couple or courts and some ideas)...
The only project that went smooth and even came out surpassing my best expectations was the Federal series because he dedicated his full time on that, now trying to do all those projects just decreased the level of trust that I had in him.
So if JR even reads this, a word of advice, please do just one project at the time, because as you must already understand is the best you can handle.

[badpete69]

Yes I do have the Texas legacy on the way but I saw this as a Tally Ho set more than a legacy set. I did not get the Legal Tender legacy so if this sells I will have only the Texas one

But if anyone is remotely interested let's talk privately who knows maybe it can be 4 legacy decks . And i keep all my sales private so use PM if you have any questions