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I got mine in the last batch he shipped a while ago. The decks do exist, its just a matter of time until they go out, unlike, say, the Dakota deck I got scammed on.
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samurai007 wrote:I got mine in the last batch he shipped a while ago. The decks do exist, its just a matter of time until they go out, unlike, say, the Dakota deck I got scammed on.
While that is true, I had mine in time to send some out as prizes both last Christmas and for the UC Annual Decks contest "Best of 2015".

I know Erik never intended to get into this mess, but even if he ships one or two each week would be better than this torture by 1000 cuts. Sorry, Erik - I always have and will support you and I know this isn't what you wanted to hear.

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I have the feeling that after quieting the loud ones, the well known backers etc etc with sending the pledge rewards, we are now back to you might get your deck this year. Sinjin what's your take on this? Are some left holding the bag? Are we going to help those who still do not have their rewards. This monthly update saying sorry I have no funds would piss me off if i was still waiting

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This guy is just so frustrating to deal with. He does just enough to avoid legal trouble, but won't do a hair more to really try to fulfill his obligation to his supporters. Even getting him to do weekly updates was like pulling teeth. As empty has his updates have been the past two months, at least its better than the radio silence we've had before. He always maintained these delays weren't about the money, but its obviously all about the money. He should just take out a loan (and that shouldn't be so big given the amount of pledges he's fulfilled so far) and finish this thing off. But of course, that would require some effort on his part to do the right thing, and that's never been his priority.

I'll send him another email this week to try to get things going again.
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sinjin7 wrote:This guy is just so frustrating to deal with. He does just enough to avoid legal trouble, but won't do a hair more to really try to fulfill his obligation to his supporters. Even getting him to do weekly updates was like pulling teeth. As empty has his updates have been the past two months, at least its better than the radio silence we've had before. He always maintained these delays weren't about the money, but its obviously all about the money. He should just take out a loan (and that shouldn't be so big given the amount of pledges he's fulfilled so far) and finish this thing off. But of course, that would require some effort on his part to do the right thing, and that's never been his priority.

I'll send him another email this week to try to get things going again.
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sinjin7 wrote:This guy is just so frustrating to deal with. He does just enough to avoid legal trouble, but won't do a hair more to really try to fulfill his obligation to his supporters. Even getting him to do weekly updates was like pulling teeth. As empty has his updates have been the past two months, at least its better than the radio silence we've had before. He always maintained these delays weren't about the money, but its obviously all about the money. He should just take out a loan (and that shouldn't be so big given the amount of pledges he's fulfilled so far) and finish this thing off. But of course, that would require some effort on his part to do the right thing, and that's never been his priority.

I'll send him another email this week to try to get things going again.
John, not that it's terribly fair to anyone, but don't you agree that fulfilling three or four each week is better than not moving at all? Heck, one or two?
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Mike Ratledge wrote: John, not that it's terribly fair to anyone, but don't you agree that fulfilling three or four each week is better than not moving at all? Heck, one or two?
I would be more than ok with that... but for more than 2 months now there's been just 0 per day... And I suppose it will continuing this way as this CLOWN is only trying to avoid a legal action till the point that it will not be possible anymore...
Trusting his numbers (which I don't) he have shipped half of the orders by now (~330) and it only took 2 years!! Great work...
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Mike Ratledge wrote:
sinjin7 wrote:This guy is just so frustrating to deal with. He does just enough to avoid legal trouble, but won't do a hair more to really try to fulfill his obligation to his supporters. Even getting him to do weekly updates was like pulling teeth. As empty has his updates have been the past two months, at least its better than the radio silence we've had before. He always maintained these delays weren't about the money, but its obviously all about the money. He should just take out a loan (and that shouldn't be so big given the amount of pledges he's fulfilled so far) and finish this thing off. But of course, that would require some effort on his part to do the right thing, and that's never been his priority.

I'll send him another email this week to try to get things going again.
John, not that it's terribly fair to anyone, but don't you agree that fulfilling three or four each week is better than not moving at all? Heck, one or two?
There's no reason he can't get a loan, pay to have EVERYTHING shipped now and pay the loan back with the money he's expecting or in payments. This question has never been answered by him. It's irresponsible that he doesn't. Solves the whole problem.

What does he owe? A few thousand dollars? I bet he can get a loan to cover that. A loan like that, paid over a couple years is not a lot of money per month. He could make payments per month until he makes a bigger payment to pay it off. It's really that simple.

I still think I'll get my cards, but the wait sucks and has sucked.
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Mike Ratledge wrote: John, not that it's terribly fair to anyone, but don't you agree that fulfilling three or four each week is better than not moving at all? Heck, one or two?
I'd be okay with him shipping any, or if I can just have my friend in Chicago pick it up that's fine too...
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Mike Ratledge wrote:John, not that it's terribly fair to anyone, but don't you agree that fulfilling three or four each week is better than not moving at all? Heck, one or two?
This is the pattern with this guy, he'll do a week or two of fulfillment, and then when the heat passes, he reverts to not being inclined to do anything for months at a time with nothing but vague excuses. I sent him another email letting him know 2+ months of inactivity is not acceptable and we need to see him ship something, anything, by this Friday's Update or I will have no choice but to re-open the Mana Sybil Lawsuit thread. He's down to about 285 unfulfilled orders (probably mostly international), so I strongly suggested that since he had completed some of the fulfillment already, to get a loan to cover the rest of the orders shouldn't be as much by now, and certainly any interest accrued by such a loan is still far less than litigation costs. To your point, Mike, I advised that even a very few orders a week trickling out is better than nothing and at least points towards some progress, as little as it may be. Let's just see what Erik has to say this Friday. . .
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Thank you very much sinjin7. I see light again :)
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Yet.
When Bruno gets this message back from Erik this morn .... it suggests that sinjin has a particularly one sided comms issue with hisself ....

"Thank you for offering Brother.But I am waiting for some help right now. It''s been a long and frustrating process but I think I'm close"

As I say, from Erik, this mornig, in reply to my note last night.
The first we have commed for ages.
He has an option to go forward that mr seven is not privvy to ....
A disconnect, assuredly, and not the one you infer ceaselessly.
Stay tuned for further moving goalposts from the vexatious one.
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Bruno wrote:Yet.
When Bruno gets this message back from Erik this morn .... it suggests that sinjin has a particularly one sided comms issue with hisself ....

"Thank you for offering Brother.But I am waiting for some help right now. It''s been a long and frustrating process but I think I'm close"

As I say, from Erik, this mornig, in reply to my note last night.
The first we have commed for ages.
He has an option to go forward that mr seven is not privvy to ....
A disconnect, assuredly, and not the one you infer ceaselessly.
Stay tuned for further moving goalposts from the vexatious one.
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Oh... much more calm and confident now.... I'm sure that your 'Brother' working hard to get thing moving...
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Yup, such is your light, that is as much as you see.
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As I posted earlier, I have been communicating with Erik to try to spur him forward again. I asked him for a specific break down of the remaining orders and what the delay is. He has 122 U.S. orders, 182 International orders, and 2 Canadian orders remaining for fulfillment. That's a whole lot more U.S. orders than I expected. He gave me the reason for the delay and what he's trying to do to finish this off, and for the moment, I'm taking him at his word and will give him a few more weeks. I told him he cannot have weeks or months of absolutely no action, and that he should trickle out at least a few orders a week every week just to show good faith that he's actively trying still. He told me he would have his fulfillment company ship him a few bricks so that he could personally ship out some orders each week until he can achieve the way to finish off fulfillment in one final lump.

I know this will ease some people's concerns, and just further incite some other's, but its all we can get for now. My anticipation is that in 4-5 weeks from now, we will either have all the orders fulfilled, or we'll be in court. It'll be a merry Christmas or a long winter...
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sinjin7 wrote:As I posted earlier, I have been communicating with Erik to try to spur him forward again. I asked him for a specific break down of the remaining orders and what the delay is. He has 122 U.S. orders, 182 International orders, and 2 Canadian orders remaining for fulfillment. That's a whole lot more U.S. orders than I expected. He gave me the reason for the delay and what he's trying to do to finish this off, and for the moment, I'm taking him at his word and will give him a few more weeks. I told him he cannot have weeks or months of absolutely no action, and that he should trickle out at least a few orders a week every week just to show good faith that he's actively trying still. He told me he would have his fulfillment company ship him a few bricks so that he could personally ship out some orders each week until he can achieve the way to finish off fulfillment in one final lump.

I know this will ease some people's concerns, and just further incite some other's, but its all we can get for now. My anticipation is that in 4-5 weeks from now, we will either have all the orders fulfilled, or we'll be in court. It'll be a merry Christmas or a long winter...
Thanks for the information.

I still don't know why he can't get a loan amortized over a few years for a few thousand dollars with very reasonable monthly payments and ship everything out. And when he does have money, he does a lump payment to pay off the loan early. That is the most responsible thing to do.

That said, he's updating more and trickling out shipments more. That's a positive. I really believe, in the end, he'll make good, but now, it continues to be really frustrating.
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Thank you sinjin7.
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I'm sure most of you have seen Erik's update by now, and it seems like we'll be able to put this whole Many Sybil debacle to rest. Based upon assurances Erik gave to me, I held off on the lawsuit up to this point. Specifically, he was attempting to secure a small business loan to cover the costs of the entire fulfillment of this project. He applied for the loan in September, and it finally came through. Granted, if he had done this 2 years ago, we'd have an entirely different view of him, but better late than never.

Truth be told, these really are very nice decks, especially the Gold and Platinum Editions, and I'm glad everyone will finally receive their decks. Happy Thanksgiving indeed!
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Thank you very much sinjin in helping to put an end to this never ending story...
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These decks really are amazing- the whole series is! It's too bad they got tarnished by horrible business decisions (or lack there of). At least my friends who are none the wiser can look at my displayed collection, point out the Mana decks, and say, "these are great!" not knowing that they almost never ended up in my collection.
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These decks look AMAZING. Any idea where can I pick them up? I heard that there were some issues with his Kickstarter but being a new collector I'm not too sure what's totally going on. Heard that it was something to do with international shipping being expensive for small purchases? Not too sure though!

But all in all they look great and if anyone is planning to sell them I wouldn't mind buying!
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Endblade

You can find them on Ebay pretty easily.
Many people try to take advantage of the fact that Erik has been so poor at business.
But, there is a set up right now for pretty reasonable.

Me I am still hoping I actually receive my pledge rewards. Before I break down and buy one from Ebay.
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Endblade95 wrote:I heard that there were some issues with his Kickstarter but being a new collector I'm not too sure what's totally going on.
Welcome to the hobby/addiction and welcome to UC. Here's a quick summary of what happened with these decks: Tuck box production issues delayed these decks and cost more than what Erik anticipated, plus he poorly managed his Kickstarter funds. The decks finally got manufactured and shipped to his fulfillment center, but Erik ran out of money, couldn't pay for shipment, and the decks literally just sat in the warehouse waiting to be shipped for over a year. In the meantime, Erik offered empty promises and excuses the few times he bothered to post updates, but basically put his head in the sand feeling sorry for himself and ignored his backers for a year and a half. It ultimately took organization of a civil lawsuit to finally spur Erik into action and do what he should have done right from the start, which was to take out a loan and finish his obligations to his backers.
UtterFool wrote:Me I am still hoping I actually receive my pledge rewards. Before I break down and buy one from Ebay.
Hang in there buddy, stay off of eBay - all remaining orders should be shipped out by the end of next week and you should be getting your pledge reward shortly.
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sinjin7 wrote:[It ultimately took organization of a civil lawsuit to finally spur Erik into action and do what he should have done right from the start....
Just to re-word Sinjin's self-deprecating statement there;
Should-have-been wrote:It ultimately took until Sinjin7 organized a civil lawsuit before Erick was spurred into action.
Many of us owe a debt of thanks to Sinjin7 in this matter. Whilst Erik may have eventually got off his a*se and finally done something, it was sinjin7's work (with support of many members here) who got this done, now.

Thanks again sinjin7!
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UtterFool wrote:Endblade

You can find them on Ebay pretty easily.
Many people try to take advantage of the fact that Erik has been so poor at business.
But, there is a set up right now for pretty reasonable.

Me I am still hoping I actually receive my pledge rewards. Before I break down and buy one from Ebay.
Seems like 2 years since the Kickstarter, quite sad that such a design went to waste due to poor management though! I don't buy from eBay mainly due to trust issues, had some bad experiences getting non-card related stuff on the site I've avoided it like the plague.
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Endblade95 wrote:
UtterFool wrote:Endblade
I don't buy from eBay mainly due to trust issues, had some bad experiences getting non-card related stuff on the site I've avoided it like the plague.

If it's any consolation, I have had mostly really good experiences buying cards off eBay, only a few decks that weren't as advertised, and have always had good luck with returns/exchanges. Sometimes ebay is the only place to get some decks, but communities like this and Aethercards generally will offer a much more reliable and personal marketplace. This deck was plagued by a series of negative turns and bad choices, but things look like they are finally on track, you shouldn't have too much trouble picking a set up here soon.
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For the record, still radio silence. No tracking number or notice that anything has been sent. The wait continues.
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TGunitedcardists wrote:For the record, still radio silence. No tracking number or notice that anything has been sent. The wait continues.

Same here, but I remain hopeful. I have quite a large pledge coming and can't wait to add them to my rebuilding effort.
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Endblade95 wrote:
UtterFool wrote:Endblade

You can find them on Ebay pretty easily.
Many people try to take advantage of the fact that Erik has been so poor at business.
But, there is a set up right now for pretty reasonable.

Me I am still hoping I actually receive my pledge rewards. Before I break down and buy one from Ebay.
Seems like 2 years since the Kickstarter, quite sad that such a design went to waste due to poor management though! I don't buy from eBay mainly due to trust issues, had some bad experiences getting non-card related stuff on the site I've avoided it like the plague.

Hello Endblade. I was on sabbatical when you joined so first and foremost, Welcome.

When I get my pledge in I will have quite a few extras as I pledged for this at the height of my addiction.... er collecting. I'm never interested in jacking up the prices so will be selling my extras at Kickstarter cost. I'll drop you a PM when I finally get them and if you still need some, I'd be glad to help.
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Well, something is happening on my end at least. I got a tracking number earlier today for my order. No ETA on its arrival as it only indicates the shipping label was made.

Edit: And it's here!
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