A Deck of Cards by Pedale Design - Kickstarter Completed

[Encarded]

Tyler,

I have to say, the artwork you have is great and it's always a breath of fresh air to see someone do something unique like that. Your video is lovely and you are obviously a design pro.

I do, however, find it unfortunate that you are pricing things at $15 per deck. Everyone that really cares about cards knows what it costs to have a deck printed, and from I can see you have a "normal" deck with almost no extra-cost features. As such, all of the people here know what it is costing you, and what it will cost to mail, and they will feel a little taken advantage of when comparing to the many other projects that can get them a deck (shipped) for perhaps $8-10.

I'm sure you will fund your deck, but it is also important (especially for the first project) to generate goodwill in the market and one way to do that is to be fair or even low on the price. Most projects top out at $10 or so, and there are many that are hugely successful at that level. It's too late to change, obviously, but certainly something to keep in mind. You did create a lovely piece of art, and one that I would enjoy, but the one-way design and $15 will probably keep me out of it this time.

Best of luck to you and as I said, it is great to see unique and professional design.

[BMPokerworld]

Tyler,

I have to say, the artwork you have is great and it's always a breath of fresh air to see someone do something unique like that. Your video is lovely and you are obviously a design pro.

I do, however, find it unfortunate that you are pricing things at $15 per deck. Everyone that really cares about cards knows what it costs to have a deck printed, and from I can see you have a "normal" deck with almost no extra-cost features. As such, all of the people here know what it is costing you, and what it will cost to mail, and they will feel a little taken advantage of when comparing to the many other projects that can get them a deck (shipped) for perhaps $8-10.

I'm sure you will fund your deck, but it is also important (especially for the first project) to generate goodwill in the market and one way to do that is to be fair or even low on the price. Most projects top out at $10 or so, and there are many that are hugely successful at that level. It's too late to change, obviously, but certainly something to keep in mind. You did create a lovely piece of art, and one that I would enjoy, but the one-way design and $15 will probably keep me out of it this time.

Best of luck to you and as I said, it is great to see unique and professional design.

Paul

Are you reading my email? That is exactly what I told him. In the future please come up with your own complaints and don't use mine!!! Hahahahaha

[Evan]

It's a really nice looking deck! I love the artwork and all but the price is much too high in my opinion.

[Naxx]

Really love the design, however $22 for a deck ($15 + $7 shipping is way too high for me)

Anyone living in US should definitely help out! He got some cool designs in his website as well.

[CBJ]

Here's a pic he posted on Aether




CBJ

[alric]

This deck definitely has the T11 Monarch vibe, but without the tricked out tuck box and double the price. I was also a bit put-off that you got so defensive about the price of the deck (which is ridiculous, imo) and your costs. I understand you put a lot of work and passion into your deck project, and obviously enough people liked it due to the fact that you hit your funding goal, but we have the right to voice our opinions about your pricing as well. You're not talking to a bunch of novice children here. Many are hard-core collectors, experienced deck producers, deck reviewers, and playing card retailers, so we have a pretty good idea of what is priced appropriately or not.

Many other people have produced fantastic decks, put in as much time as you have (if not more), have more features (metallic inks, foil, embossing, casino grade stock, etc...) and have priced their decks in the $6-$10 per deck range and still have had very sucessful Kick Starter campaigns. Just saying.

Having said all that, welcome to UC and congrats on your KS campaign. I hope you find the knowledge of more experienced members here useful and that you take their advice for your benefit.

*edit*
Damn, I missed Encarded's post. Yeah, Paul pretty much already covered what I had to say and probably said it better!

[Russell]

I think everyone needs to stop thinking of it as just another deck on kickstarter and look at it for what it is, art.

Yes, it is going to be more expensive, but it is not something your going to use at a regular game of poker either. It is an object to show off to your friends or have in your unopened collection. Complaining that the suicide king is on the wrong suit is mute when this deck cant be used in standard play anyway.

It is more of a modern artistic take on classic card design, not the next WPT deck.

I am going to back for a deck for the art and design, not for the usefulness of it.

[alric]

I understand art is subjective, but playing cards are not usually something to be hung on a wall or put on a pedestal (though some people actually may do this as well), it has utility. A deck has the potential to be used, whether for a poker game or manipulated in a Sybil or used in a double lift for a card trick.

I actually open my decks and use them, as do a lot of other poker players, cardists, or magicians. This is a deck produced in the thousands, not a one-of-a-kind Monet, so let's not make this more than what it is (and I say this with all due respect to all the deck designers out there).

I know you're coming from the perspective of a card designer/producer yourself, so that's why you said what you did. But you and Adam put out great decks at almost only a third of the cost. Screw the artsy fartsy subjectivity, let's look at this as objectively as possible. Is this deck 2-3 times better than your decks? I think not. C'mon, bro, this deck is overpriced and you know it. Its all good, though, he's free to price his deck any way he wants, and he ultimately got funded. But he did it at the cost of alienating a lot of people, and I agree with Paul's theory of building up good will among the card cummunity and this is where I think he fell a bit short.

[max]

I really like this deck and buying more than one, the price is much more interesting

If you want to know something more about this artist (I think his story is interesting), this deck (including the name!) and some more card pics, you can read the interview at maxplayingcards.com:

Spanish: http://www.maxplayingcards.com/es/2012/ ... in-nombre/

English: http://www.maxplayingcards.com/en/2012/ ... amed-deck/

Hope you enjoy it!

Max

[Fluffykitten]

I don't think one color decks are bad. In fact I am backing this deck:



Personally I liked your design Tyler. But I haved backed because I felt that for me $15 is too much. On project is doing a deck with a box all in holograph and that deck is $14 and seeing the margins they are taking on everything else they are not the type to sell at or below cost. So to me $15 for a custom deck without embossing, metallic inks, or color is too much. That's just me.

[4pmdesigner]

Is it just me or has anyone noticed that, besides it being pretty much across the board that the deck is relatively expensive, this deck is about to hit $34k with over 1k backers in 3 days? WOW! That's pretty amazing. This deck is rocking and rolling. Seems like every new record being set is immediately being destroyed.

[Sharpie]

I noticed. Just shows what gluttons we all are.

[Fluffykitten]

It's the price. Most decks now are $7-$9 but if you charge twice as much, you only need to sell half as many decks.

[Russell]

But he still has a thousand backers in a few days, that's an accomplishment!

[Sharpie]

Exactly! You still need people to pay that price.

So even though the deck costs an arm & a leg, we're all still lining up to the guy with the knife.

[4pmdesigner]

But he still has a thousand backers in a few days, that's an accomplishment!

Exactly, at first I though well it must be because the price, but he's been able to rack up that much backing this fast. Kudos to him!

[Fluffykitten]

But he still has a thousand backers in a few days, that's an accomplishment!

True true. It is impressive!

[Naxx]

Most probably is because this playing card appeared in http://uncrate.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and also having a pretty cool T-shirt in one of the pledge option

[Fluffykitten]

I think everyone needs to stop thinking of it as just another deck on kickstarter and look at it for what it is, art.

Yes, it is going to be more expensive, but it is not something your going to use at a regular game of poker either. It is an object to show off to your friends or have in your unopened collection. Complaining that the suicide king is on the wrong suit is mute when this deck cant be used in standard play anyway.

It is more of a modern artistic take on classic card design, not the next WPT deck.

I am going to back for a deck for the art and design, not for the usefulness of it.

for me as a (new) collector. i only by decks i love for the art. thats what personally do. i dont get any decks that i dont see as having some artistic value. but for me, i need every deck i get to be suitable for standard play. because i often play solitaire or gin rummy with my decks. that for me is part of the fun. to actually be able to use the deck for playing.

i dont mind having a different suicide king, but i do need for there to be a reason for the change. and then that difference becomes part of that deck's appeal.

anyway, thats just my opinion

[Pedale Design]

Hey guys,

Thanks for all of the encouragement (Russel, you made me blush) and I am more blown away about the projects success than all of you. Trust me.

I have already put 240 hrs into this project ... and intend to work it full time for another month. I priced the decks according to art prices I am use to seeing in the design community, which I am learning is very different than the card collectors industry. I was definitely not trying to make a statement that my cards were superior. I am humbled by the response.

I am making a big KickStarter update on Tuesday. Which will include an upgrade on printing. I am changing all the cards to "Bee paper" and am embossing the the tuck case. I am also making an upgrade to the tuck case paper. With no extra charge to my backers. I want to communicate quality in design and production to everyone. I will also be adding some new rewards.

Thanks for all of the feed back. It has been helpful to me.

Tyler

[Fluffykitten]

Hey guys,

Thanks for all of the encouragement (Russel, you made me blush) and I am more blown away about the projects success than all of you. Trust me.

I have already put 240 hrs into this project ... and intend to work it full time for another month. I priced the decks according to art prices I am use to seeing in the design community, which I am learning is very different than the card collectors industry. I was definitely not trying to make a statement that my cards were superior. I am humbled by the response.

I am making a big KickStarter update on Tuesday. Which will include an upgrade on printing. I am changing all the cards to "Bee paper" and am embossing the the tuck case. I am also making an upgrade to the tuck case paper. With no extra charge to my backers. I want to communicate quality in design and production to everyone. I will also be adding some new rewards.

Thanks for all of the feed back. It has been helpful to me.

Tyler

great moves! i think that will help some, like me make the jump for a deck.

[Russell]

I'm glad to see you jumped back on the forums! Excellent news on the card stock and tuck material.

I'm looking forward to the update on Tuesday.

[vjose32]

Awesome update!

[kc62002]

very happy to hear this update. I was wondering if I could add one more deck? I took the two deck/shirt combo tier but with this update i'd like one more deck. I re-read the page but didn't see the option for adding decks. I don't need 5, but i'd like one more to give as a gift.

[Strag]

Just saw from the new backing levels that it looks like 10,000 of this deck will be made, although now on Bee stock and with an embossed tuck.

Much as I try, I just can't justify this deck to myself, although it's always possible that I break down and order. International shipping is less now but still pretty high and combined with a high relative deck cost and a design that I find interesting but not "wow"... just doesn't do it.

Great to see the success of an unusual deck though.

[Pedale Design]

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[CBJ]

Just about to pass...

ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!

Just insane!

Congrats

[Encarded]

Just about to pass...

ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!

Just insane!

Congrats

And now it's $110,000+

Lesson learned: Make an "art project" deck asap.

[Sharpie]

Just about to pass...

ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!

Just insane!

Congrats

And now it's $110,000+

Lesson learned: Make an "art project" deck asap.

And charge a leeetle bit too much for it.

[Encarded]

Just about to pass...

ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!

Just insane!

Congrats

And now it's $110,000+

Lesson learned: Make an "art project" deck asap.

And charge a leeetle bit too much for it.

Just get them hipsters on board and it's all over. Bam! You heard it here first, new from Encarded, the "I'm totally over that" Hipster Deck.