Alice of Wonderland Playing Cards now live on Kickstarter

[th4mo]

Four months past the delivery date and many (most?) backers, including myself, still have not received their decks...

He's selling them on his website as "Highly Collectable" (maybe because hundreds of backers are still waiting for their decks?)...
http://aliceofwonderland.com/product/al ... ing-cards/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And he's got a new project underway on Indiegogo (trying to hide from his KS backers perhaps?)...
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice ... c=activity

The BALLS on this guy!

Even if some have received their decks by now, this project clearly belongs in the Hall of Shame!!!
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[montecarlojoe]

2 months to go!

Still waiting on mine as it goes!

[th4mo]

2 months to go!

Still waiting on mine as it goes!

Even if he delivers them all tomorrow...
Starting a new project while the first one is stagnated is just shameful!!!

[montecarlojoe]

I agree that it's not been well managed - but 6 months is the cut-off for the HoS. It's purposely long so people can't really complain about ending up there! This project probably will end up in there - I can't see him sending everything out in the next 8 weeks.

(Keep an eye out next week - there will definitely be new additions to the HoS...)

[chach]

He's publicly stated that he doesn't have the funds to ship decks out and that's the reason he's selling them separately, so he can raise money to pay for the shipping. I've written off ever receiving my decks, the dude is a moron and a crook in my eyes.

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

I got mine, but in all seriousness it's the worst deck I've ever received ... the stock from Cartmundi was not on par with what we're all used to from Bike

my review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2oXgcbxnsQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[sprouts1115]

@ Magic_Othodoxy - Watched your video. Seemed pretty honest....

[Lotrek]

What is really disheartening is all this effort by backers to help him get funded during the last days. This makes me mad!

Will the world ever get rid of crooks?

[Magic_Orthodoxy]

N E W - U P D A T E ( June 17, 2014 )

This will be a short update about shipping. As some of you have known, I have been trying to raise funds at conventions to help with shipping with little success. I am no longer going to conventions and will focus on staying in my area working to get your decks shipped. My partners, however, will continue working the conventions to raise funds by selling non-project items to help get your decks out. I have had some personal and financial issues that have affected my life severely, and I am just trying to survive at this point. I have been stressed out over this project, but my intent and goal has always been to complete it.

I will resume shipping this weekend. I can only ship week to week, in piece-mail amounts. I will ship what I am personally able to afford. The partners I have been working with have tried to help me with this project, and are continuing to help with fulfillment. However, I personally want to make sure that I can at least resume shipping.

I apologize sincerely for the long delay. If you have any questions, please direct them and any concerns at our main email address:

info@aliceofwonderland.com

Thank you

[Cbkimble]

I just ordered one of each from GW. I'm gonna learn to do some research on these decks before buying them.

[Mike Ratledge]

What is really disheartening is all this effort by backers to help him get funded during the last days. This makes me mad!

Will the world ever get rid of crooks?

The simple answer to that question is "Yes", WE will.

[montecarlojoe]

I don't think I'd put Juan in the 'Crook' pile - more the woefully inept one.

He's a decent artist, and by all accounts is genuine in his effort s to ship, but his good will and creativity didn't help him in negotiotions or accounting (where your skill needs to equal or better your art).

It's where many fall down I think - jumping in the deep end into a multi thousand dollar committment without really understanding what that entails.

Some run and hide, and whilst I am FAR than happy with Juan, I'm glad he seems to be sticking with it.

But as Mike says, the future is bright on this front

[Lotrek]

I don't think I'd put Juan in the 'Crook' pile - more the woefully inept one.

He's a decent artist, and by all accounts is genuine in his effort s to ship, but his good will and creativity didn't help him in negotiotions or accounting (where your skill needs to equal or better your art).

It's where many fall down I think - jumping in the deep end into a multi thousand dollar committment without really understanding what that entails.

Some run and hide, and whilst I am FAR than happy with Juan, I'm glad he seems to be sticking with it.

But as Mike says, the future is bright on this front

I agree about Juan. When I wrote that comment I didn't know what exactly was going on. It's definitely a credit for him the fact that he is trying to send all decks to the backers.

[rjtomlinson1977]

I don't think I'd put Juan in the 'Crook' pile - more the woefully inept one.

He's a decent artist, and by all accounts is genuine in his effort s to ship, but his good will and creativity didn't help him in negotiotions or accounting (where your skill needs to equal or better your art).

It's where many fall down I think - jumping in the deep end into a multi thousand dollar committment without really understanding what that entails.

Some run and hide, and whilst I am FAR than happy with Juan, I'm glad he seems to be sticking with it.

But as Mike says, the future is bright on this front

I agree about Juan. When I wrote that comment I didn't know what exactly was going on. It's definitely a credit for him the fact that he is trying to send all decks to the backers.

I second that opinion. A lot of people get in over their head. True Crooks will run and hide but honest people will suffer the costs to make things right.

[Sher]

I third that opinion. I still haven't gotten my decks, but I'm being patient and hope he gets through this.

[framegod]

Tried to contact Juan @ info@aliceofwonderland.com And recieved this in reply:

Hi.... I've noticed over the course of six months that I've seen a lot of emails coming from Juan's kickstarter project. Myself (Troy Don) and Lizzie Phillips went into business with Juan and took him to conventions between the months of Feb-May promoting a trading card game. In may we found out that this kickstarter project was way behind and that he was telling backers events that were not the truth.

The trading card game looks like it's going the same way as the kickstarter. He received all of the funds and then we never heard back from him, and if we did it was excuses of why they artwork wasn't completed.

We are actually putting together a class action lawsuit against Juan and welcome anyone that is part of his kickstarter project to be included in this action.

Per the contract that he has signed we now own the Alice of Wonderland name....but have noticed that he is now using Sketch2Draw to hide from everyone. He also receives almost $1,000 a month from YouTube for his videos a month. Which is why we are asking ourselves why he can not finish the art for the game .... let alone ship decks to his backer from Kickstarter.

Can you please contact me @ 757-903-9414 if that is ok with you to talk about what you are going through with kickstarter. We are going to put this in with our class action paperwork against him to show a pattern.

Thank you

Troy Don

Looks like Juan is one for the roads and said forget it I'm out of here. You can right this one off as another second rate scam job by default.

[Eoghann]

Damn. So sorry he ultimately decided to make a run for it.

[chach]

Damn. So sorry he ultimately decided to make a run for it.

Not entirely (if you actually believe his verbal diarrhea that is). Update sent out earlier today. Basically he was going to try to run, then realized he's getting sued and is only now trying to make good again. Please tell me this is in the Hall of Shame now.

Small Bundled Shipping

This is just a short update that I am resuming shipping of decks. I am also resolving whatever hardships I am going through here at home and working things out with my partners at Alice of Wonderland Entertainment.

This week I will focus on shipping decks to those that have sent me messages. I will work on getting decks shipped on a daily basis in order to create some momentum. I apologize for the wait. Thanks.

[badpete69]

Wow quite the story. i had not pledged for this deck but bought them on ebay at some point and got them fast...Hopefully everyone will get their decks or refunds

[framegod]

His response to me then his update to everyone:


I will send you your decks in a day or 2. Is your address the same?

Just to inform you, I am not making the amount that Troy mentioned from my Youtube channel. That varies month to month, and my earnings have gone down, so I need to create more videos.

I am taking steps to make sure I earn enough to live from, and have extra to pay for shipping. But you are correct, I need to ship out these decks.

This week I will ship to those that have contacted me, and will try to ship on a daily basis what I can. This will create momentum that I can use.

I will add tracking to your cards as soon as I ship. Thanks.

Lets see if he lives up to it.

[Sher]

I am seriously disappointed.

[Firthetic]

What a dick. He owes me a few decks too.

[volantangel]

What a dick. He owes me a few decks too.

Fir, bad news your are probably never gonna get yours, internationals always get hit the hardest, bloody quicksilver project taught me this.

[montecarlojoe]

It's the "those that contacted me" part that annoys me... so because I've be quiet and patient I get shunted to the back of the line? (or worse: ignored)

At least he's bothering to update i suppose. Many would simply cut and run.

[framegod]

Everyone just needs to start to bugging him asking for their decks and tracking info. Due I think it will happen........

What do you really think?

[chach]

It's the "those that contacted me" part that annoys me... so because I've be quiet and patient I get shunted to the back of the line? (or worse: ignored)

At least he's bothering to update i suppose. Many would simply cut and run.

I know that's what got me too. Though to be honest I doubt even the squeaky wheels will be getting their decks. It's one excuse after another with the guy and I've pretty much written off actually getting anything from him. And if I do it still won't change my opinion of the guy.

[ecNate]

Didn't he claims to be using profit from direct sales to fulfill KS sales? Maybe he's trying, but come on, it's not THAT hard or pricey unless he really screwed up the numbers.

I bought the bw deck direct and quite like it. Maybe if you buy a deck then he'll be able to send your full pack? Lol

[Cbkimble]

Looks like something is happening with this deck. Anyone else get a backerkit invite? I never backed the project but got one.

[chach]

I backed it but didn't get an invite. Wrote it off as a loss a long time back

[Cbkimble]

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