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vasta41 wrote:On the large list of people who screwed up KS campaigns (including but not limited to JR :)) it's a shame Dent is high on that list because the theme and artwork on these decks are great. But just ask Erik Mana- great artwork and a poorly run campaign will lose you supporters.
However, Mana made good on everything in the end. Granted, it was years late, and his biggest mistake was communication. But, he made good on his decks and refunds.
Let's remember that Mana didn't complete fulfillment out of the goodness of his own heart, sinjin7 had to resort to suing Mana's unmotivated ass in order for him to finally deliver his decks.

For me, the worst thing a designer can do on a Kickstarter project is to promise features to get you to back them, and then after they got your cash after the project ends they don't deliver those features without telling anyone about it. Since the Olympics is going on right now, I'll award medals to my list of worst offenders:

Gold Medal: Jack$on Robinson/Legal Tender - no holographic foil, no regular foil, crappy printer
Silver Medal: Dent du Lion/Leonardo - no gilding, no prismatic finish, no USPCC printing
Bronz Medal: Mythical deck - I can't even remember that asshole's name, he started with a crappy printer and promised to look into a better printer in order to get funded when people complained, then went with an even crappier printer no one ever heard of.
Someone call a whaaambulance.

Jackson Robinson is not the worst offender. Not even close.

Honestly? The way EPCC foils cards, having the stripe on select cards would make them unplayable. The real offense is the lack of seals and that is not in the same discussion as no gilding + no iridescent finish. Not. Even. Close. And the decks I received have no problems with handling. On-par with most other EPCC decks I own.
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TwoPieceFeed wrote:Someone call a whaaambulance.

Jackson Robinson is not the worst offender. Not even close.
UC: Jackson deserves a gold medal.....at sucking!

2PF: You guys can dump on other designers like I do, but leave my precious JR alone!!!

UC: Jackson just makes overpriced crap.

2PF: You can have whatever opinion you want except when it comes to my J-Rob. Every time I hear crap like that, I'm gonna stick up for my BFF!!!

UC: Jackson is an arrogant asshole.....

2PF: Why are you so mean to my Jackie Pooh? This is why the smile on my clown face looks so sad......

UC: Why can't you just stfu about Jackson? You say you don't even buy his decks anymore!

2PF: :shock:

I thought it appropriate to borrow a page from sinjin7's famous Cricket speech to Jack$on from back in the day. :ugdance:

Listen up, TwoPieceFeed, that was my medal awards, not yours, you can make up your own. Personally, I DO feel that not putting holographic foil, not putting any foil at all, and lying about where the cards are printed is worse than Dent. You obviously don't. You could've left well enough alone, but noooo, you had to respond with an insult because someone was shitting on your precious Jack$son again. We get it, man, you heart Jack$on. But not everyone does, and for good reason. Just let it go, dude, let it go.

*To the mods, I apologize for this thread hijack, not even Dent deserves this.
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alric wrote:
TwoPieceFeed wrote:Someone call a whaaambulance.

Jackson Robinson is not the worst offender. Not even close.
UC: Jackson deserves a gold medal.....at sucking!

2PF: You guys can dump on other designers like I do, but leave my precious JR alone!!!

UC: Jackson just makes overpriced crap.

2PF: You can have whatever opinion you want except when it comes to my J-Rob. Every time I hear crap like that, I'm gonna stick up for my BFF!!!

UC: Jackson is an arrogant asshole.....

2PF: Why are you so mean to my Jackie Pooh? This is why the smile on my clown face looks so sad......

UC: Why can't you just stfu about Jackson? You say you don't even buy his decks anymore!

2PF: :shock:

I thought it appropriate to borrow a page from sinjin7's famous Cricket speech to Jack$on from back in the day. :ugdance:

Listen up, TwoPieceFeed, that was my medal awards, not yours, you can make up your own. Personally, I DO feel that not putting holographic foil, not putting any foil at all, and lying about where the cards are printed is worse than Dent. You obviously don't. You could've left well enough alone, but noooo, you had to respond with an insult because someone was shitting on your precious Jack$son again. We get it, man, you heart Jack$on. But not everyone does, and for good reason. Just let it go, dude, let it go.

*To the mods, I apologize for this thread hijack, not even Dent deserves this.
After the first line of long-winded inflammatory spam notes I just filed this under TL;DR.

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TwoPieceFeed wrote:After the first line of long-winded inflammatory spam notes I just filed this under TL;DR.
Sure you did, buddy. I'm flattered you quoted my entire comment in your reply.

Getting back to topic (despite 2PF), I find it interesting that Dent created his follow up campaign under a new Kickstarter account. He probably did this so that it would be less likely new backers could see some of the negative comments from his first campaign. Unless Dent has some new marketing tricks up his sleeve, this campaign may come down to the wire whether it funds or not. After the initial spike in pledges at the start of the campaign, you see pledges plateau and if you're not past or near your funding goal after the initial spike, it could be a long, painful crawl upwards towards funding......
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alric is definably/demonstrably/desperately, compromised :-

#conflationary.#misrepresentational.#malicious.#inflamatory.
#demonising.#deflecting.#dishonorable.#hopelesslypathetic.

Therefore disqualifying theirself.

True criticism needs none of this.

UC is in desperate need of balance and reasoning in all its criticism.
This has not been the case for some time.
Do we have to listen to the lynch mob paranoia of the few who conflate and implicate others to their warped inferencing ?
Bruno asks why on gods good earth is this so ?
If Eric Mana, JR and Dent de Lion are this forums worst fears ( their creating commonality here devolved to monstering of the worst kind),
if these three are so vile, well Kim Il Jong and the donald would be axing for their input.
Patently, providently, this is not the case.
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But Lèse-majesté, especially >Normans, natch.

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Guys, enough. Cease & desist and all that jazz.

I purposefully left everything as originally posted. We all have our favorites and our opinions and I am always going to err on the side of open exchange of those opinions.

But - that is enough - for now.
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Thank you Mike.

I wish to engage ....
I wish to engage more ....
I wish to engage more with :-
Artists.
Creators.
Producers.
Or those who wish to be such a one.
Those who simply wish to criticise or offer advice should self criticise first, opinionate later .... but I repeat, it is neccessary to engage with creators and producers first and foremost !
No more shutting the gate on experience and hard work, no more big noteing oneself at the expense of all else, no more misrepresenting of issues cos you long windedly can (sinjin7ofthefakeconcern, you) ....
Above all .... No. More. Monstering.
That's #NOMOREMONSTERING !
Pull your heads in.
Now.
I wish to engage ....
I wish to engage with ....

'kay ?

Artists and Creators, Welcome Aboard the Good Ship UC ! :ugdance:
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Bruno wrote:Thank you Mike.

I wish to engage ....
I wish to engage more ....
I wish to engage more with :-
Artists.
Creators.
Producers.
Or those who wish to be such a one.
Those who simply wish to criticise or offer advice should self criticise first, opinionate later .... but I repeat, it is neccessary to engage with creators and producers first and foremost !
No more shutting the gate on experience and hard work, no more big noteing oneself at the expense of all else, no more misrepresenting of issues cos you long windedly can (sinjin7ofthefakeconcern, you) ....
Above all .... No. More. Monstering.
That's #NOMOREMONSTERING !
Pull your heads in.
Now.
I wish to engage ....
I wish to engage with ....

'kay ?

Artists and Creators, Welcome Aboard the Good Ship UC ! :ugdance:
Hey, Bruno- there's a forum for that: viewforum.php?f=15" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nevertheless this site is called unitedcardists. I think I speak for almost everyone here that if you don't like our (i.e. non-deck creators) opinions, you can leave! You are extremely lucky that this site has some pretty lenient mods or you'd have been gone a long time ago.
The fact is that this community is an amazing source, not only to discover new playing cards but also to aid fellow cardists on deals, purchasing info, and deck designer info. I know this site has clued me in to some great campaigns I wouldn't have known about otherwise. But it's also helped me avoid potential disasters. Warning people about Dent's previous campaign should not be frowned upon. On the contrary it should be considered words to the wise. People helping people- nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately not every deck designer is as present here as we'd like so we're left with opinions and assumptions on what we think they're thinking, and we all know what happens when we assume. Some people get a little to testy about the speculation and when that happens those people should take a deep breath and remind themselves that this is the internet and this is a public forum.

Sorry Mike et. al., had to be said.
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Very good ....
I deem monstering out of order.
How about you ?
Yes ?
No ?

If #brunobashing and #overtdivisiveness be your thing, where does your credibility get traction ?

We don't engage by choice, let us keep it that way ....
But answer the question, do ....
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Okay. I appreciate all of the comments. I think the problem with this thread was not the dialog about Dent. It sounds like that was fairly productive and helpful. That said, it veered off topic onto two other creators and one in particular who shall not be named.

I think Bruno has a good point about needing to make an effort to be a reasonable place for creators to seek input without being bashed to death. Vasta has a point too that we need to be able to be critical. I think the problem is that we sometimes spin back on old issues that are already well-debated and further rehash does not move the dialog further. It also makes this place toxic for some.

All that said, I like the frank discussion and letting those of us know about past issues with Dent. It was helpful to several. I don't want us to just be a mouthpiece for creators, but I don't want it to be toxic for them either.

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Yes, as I said .... very good.
The question stands ....
Anyone ?
Anyone here on >>United<<Cardists wish to see more monstering ?

Yes ?
or
No ?

Easy, surely.

By the by ....
The reason for this thread, this project, it is fairing reasonably well.
Will the antichrist prevail ?
Stick around .... I feel sure there will be devils afoot sooner/later.
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Bruno wrote:Yes, as I said .... very good.
The question stands ....
Anyone ?
Anyone here on UnitedCardists wish to see more monstering ?

Yes ?
or
No ?

Easy, surely.
NO! (and yes, that's my "final answer"...)
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Topic moderated...

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and as long as I own this board I will insist that you may do so,

==however==

NO ONE is entitled here, it is my place. If I tell you to stop and you ignore me, expect me to go postal.

There will be no personal attacks right, wrong or indifferent.
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