But by not going side to side on number cards, it doesn't work for actually playing cards with. Doesn't that bother you?Mike Ratledge wrote:Love the theme, albeit a little bit hokey in places. Can't say that I dig the tobacco colored faces, but I like the artwork for these.
The way he used the side to side faces to essentially band the courts works for me.
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Ardbeg is my favorite Islay Scotch. All of their selections are fantastic.shaitani wrote:Since we're talking whiskey... I really want to try that Lagavulin, I've never had a solid high quality smoky whiskey.
And my personal recommendation, the most complex and smooth flavor I've ever had: Suntory Hibiki, japanese whiskey.
I need to try some Japanese Single Malts.
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Anyone thinks that a whiskey thread (or a thread to alcoholic spirits) is on demand?
I'm not a big drinker so I can't contribute very much as the opening poster, but I think it would be nice if someone opened a thread for "UC's favorite spirits" to the general section.
I'm not a big drinker so I can't contribute very much as the opening poster, but I think it would be nice if someone opened a thread for "UC's favorite spirits" to the general section.
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That doesn't seem like it would be very supportive of TwoPiece's efforts to return to clean living....Räpylätassu wrote:Anyone thinks that a whiskey thread (or a thread to alcoholic spirits) is on demand?
I'm not a big drinker so I can't contribute very much as the opening poster, but I think it would be nice if someone opened a thread for "UC's favorite spirits" to the general section.
I don't drink at all myself, but I could probably get behind an offtopic "What's Your OTHER Vice?" thread. (With the caveat that they should be legal vices; nobody wants to be subpoenaed.)
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Personally I think there's a great opportunity for a deck theme Here. A cigar deck is step one and I can't believe I'm saying this but I think JR could come out with a really good liquor deck too. Like a series kind of.Räpylätassu wrote:Anyone thinks that a whiskey thread (or a thread to alcoholic spirits) is on demand?
I'm not a big drinker so I can't contribute very much as the opening poster, but I think it would be nice if someone opened a thread for "UC's favorite spirits" to the general section.
P.S. give me a Bulleit rye old fashioned and I'm happy
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Haha. I 'live clean' most days. I've been an alcoholic in the past, and over the past few years I only drink on a couple Saturdays a month. By choice. I'd rather collect playing/MtG cards, and play some NHL online, than spend a lot on booze, most days/nights.
I feel like I'm in the minority, in that I have always loved Ellusionist's Prohibition decks. I actually own 3 box sets and 5 of each deck all together. I would love to see some other artists' takes on alcohol-themed cards. If JR does that, I might break that oath to not support his future campaigns, if they looked good...
I feel like I'm in the minority, in that I have always loved Ellusionist's Prohibition decks. I actually own 3 box sets and 5 of each deck all together. I would love to see some other artists' takes on alcohol-themed cards. If JR does that, I might break that oath to not support his future campaigns, if they looked good...
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I think when E came out with the Prohibition set we were all duly impressed, as we should've been. Beautiful tucks and fantastically packaged. Unfortunately, that set got lost in the sea of Madison decks so it probably did become a bit underrated. If Jackson put out that set with his take on the court cards, people would've gone nuts for them (although it would've cost 3 times more, especially the boxed set). Someone else who could do a great job with a spirits-themed series is Randy (Butterfield). It's literally his day job so it would be in his wheelhouse.
Speaking of decks that might bring us back to buying Jackson's decks, does anyone remember the Aristocrat type decks Jackson was playing around with? This was after he finished up his Fed52 series when he used to interact here alot, but before the Sherlock series when things went south. I think he's finished with his version of the Tally Ho series (which were great), and if he followed through with his version of the Aristocrat 727 banknote series, that might get me to fall off the wagon. . .
Speaking of decks that might bring us back to buying Jackson's decks, does anyone remember the Aristocrat type decks Jackson was playing around with? This was after he finished up his Fed52 series when he used to interact here alot, but before the Sherlock series when things went south. I think he's finished with his version of the Tally Ho series (which were great), and if he followed through with his version of the Aristocrat 727 banknote series, that might get me to fall off the wagon. . .
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I would really like the idea of alcohol themed decks as well.
As for the Prohibition decks, Disparos Tequila is among the best decks in my entire collection* and Rebellion Rum has one of my favorite back designs in my collection**. All the decks were designed by Oban Jones. I sometimes wonder that is Ellusionist holding him back? If Oban Jones could do more truly custom decks, I wonder just how good they could be, as Disparos Tequila IMO is the proof that he could 100 % pull it off.
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As for the Prohibition decks, Disparos Tequila is among the best decks in my entire collection* and Rebellion Rum has one of my favorite back designs in my collection**. All the decks were designed by Oban Jones. I sometimes wonder that is Ellusionist holding him back? If Oban Jones could do more truly custom decks, I wonder just how good they could be, as Disparos Tequila IMO is the proof that he could 100 % pull it off.
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NEWS ALERT:
Kickstarters day & time has been changed according to JR.
Kickstarters day & time has been changed according to JR.
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Wait, what? JR's delaying the release to Monday??
*does the timezone math on his fingers*
.... Tuesday at noon.
#Triumphal fanfare#
*does the timezone math on his fingers*
.... Tuesday at noon.
#Triumphal fanfare#
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I was getting all frustrated looking for the deck on Kickstarter until I seen the post above.
I'm not a smoker or have any knowledge of cigars at all but I like the deck design.
I'm not a smoker or have any knowledge of cigars at all but I like the deck design.
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I'm ... displeased that 1/3rd of my overall pledge amount is going into shipping, but I'm OK with JR going straight down the line with only 2 decks available.
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I can't believe Jackson only showed pictures of the court cards, aces, and jokers and didn't show any of the spot cards. I think people should know if this is going to be a playable deck or not, and there's no way of knowing from his KS page. He also stated that there will be 2000 - 3000 silver edition decks and he'll print as many gold editions as he can sell, so not one of his more limited projects.
I'm going to quote Jackson's actual words:
"If you would like a deck of playing cards that is something truly unique then the Maduro Playing Cards have the perfect blend of tradition and style to make your next cardgame a truly unique experience."
He's actually promoting this deck to be used in card games. But that would be problematic if the courts and aces bleed to the edges and the spot cards do not. I also find it amusing that he's specifying that these will be produced in EPCC's Taiwan based factory. Well, if he says so. . .
At the end of the day, this is a typical Jackson deck: very nice tuck boxes, well-executed court cards, a bit over-priced, and with his my way or the highway attitude (in reference to playability). Easy pass.
I'm going to quote Jackson's actual words:
"If you would like a deck of playing cards that is something truly unique then the Maduro Playing Cards have the perfect blend of tradition and style to make your next cardgame a truly unique experience."
He's actually promoting this deck to be used in card games. But that would be problematic if the courts and aces bleed to the edges and the spot cards do not. I also find it amusing that he's specifying that these will be produced in EPCC's Taiwan based factory. Well, if he says so. . .
At the end of the day, this is a typical Jackson deck: very nice tuck boxes, well-executed court cards, a bit over-priced, and with his my way or the highway attitude (in reference to playability). Easy pass.
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Ouch the Jack of Spades is about to have a nasty burn on his fingers holding his cigar like that.
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The profit takers will profit.
The failed profit takers take the hit.
I hope jr makes a motza !
(Looks that way already)
As ever, you will profit from your own due diligence .... not from subscribing to anothers delimiting exclusivity.
I think jacksons past indiscretions are now assets .... removing the few who subscribe to failure for failures sake (some need it .... for their own ends), giving him a lateral freedom of movement unencumbered by the false predictions of such unredeeming negativists.
Get aboard.
Or get burnt.
The failed profit takers take the hit.
I hope jr makes a motza !
(Looks that way already)
As ever, you will profit from your own due diligence .... not from subscribing to anothers delimiting exclusivity.
I think jacksons past indiscretions are now assets .... removing the few who subscribe to failure for failures sake (some need it .... for their own ends), giving him a lateral freedom of movement unencumbered by the false predictions of such unredeeming negativists.
Get aboard.
Or get burnt.
O, I beg of you your comprehensions,
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Neigh .... the Effluxor of the Omniverse ??
yet laugh at your contempts ....
my only competition is with myselves.
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Is jarnstill the Ars of the Hors Nebulous ?
Neigh .... the Effluxor of the Omniverse ??
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I blinked and missed all of the EB decks. He is already past his funding goal, so I think he is fine with those that want to pass on this one. I am in. A nice collectable deck IMHO. Both tucks are smokin’!
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Tucks: A+
Backs: B
Aces: A+
Courts: B-
Pips: B+
The Silver Edition backs are better than the LE, but that cigar color is pretty tasty. I like the spin on his 52+J Club Deck Joker.
The style is just too much like the Crazy 8s and Arthurian projects for me to really care or feel like I'm 'missing out'.
Backs: B
Aces: A+
Courts: B-
Pips: B+
The Silver Edition backs are better than the LE, but that cigar color is pretty tasty. I like the spin on his 52+J Club Deck Joker.
The style is just too much like the Crazy 8s and Arthurian projects for me to really care or feel like I'm 'missing out'.
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Not sure if noticed but there is an image of the 10oS, and a few others, on the page now. It appears as though all spot cards will have an image of a specific cigar with it's title.sinjin7 wrote:I can't believe Jackson only showed pictures of the court cards, aces, and jokers and didn't show any of the spot cards. I think people should know if this is going to be a playable deck or not, and there's no way of knowing from his KS page. He also stated that there will be 2000 - 3000 silver edition decks and he'll print as many gold editions as he can sell, so not one of his more limited projects.
I'm going to quote Jackson's actual words:
"If you would like a deck of playing cards that is something truly unique then the Maduro Playing Cards have the perfect blend of tradition and style to make your next cardgame a truly unique experience."
He's actually promoting this deck to be used in card games. But that would be problematic if the courts and aces bleed to the edges and the spot cards do not. I also find it amusing that he's specifying that these will be produced in EPCC's Taiwan based factory. Well, if he says so. . .
At the end of the day, this is a typical Jackson deck: very nice tuck boxes, well-executed court cards, a bit over-priced, and with his my way or the highway attitude (in reference to playability). Easy pass.
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Ugh, I DESPISE how the courts and aces are full bleed but the spot cards are not. What the hell was he thinking?? If only there were a place where he could show card enthusiasts some draft designs of future projects so that they can give advise and constructive criticisms on pros and cons of the deck. Oh well, I guess we can just "take it or leave it." Regardless this seems like an amateur mistake for a veteran artist. I'm curious to know his thought process behind this blatant faux pas.
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Thanks, I somehow missed the spot cards when I checked out this KS. Well, it's officially confirmed then, this deck will not be playable, its going to be an edge reader. I'm trying to come up with card games where it doesn't matter if the location of courts or aces are given away, and I can't come up with anything. Its a shame, really, this is a very attractive deck that is ruined for actual use.Cbkimble wrote:Not sure if noticed but there is an image of the 10oS, and a few others, on the page now. It appears as though all spot cards will have an image of a specific cigar with it's title.
I also thought the silver deck was $14.00 shipped, which is within reason. I didn't check it out because I'm not buying Jackson's decks anymore, but someone informed me it's actually $18.00 per deck shipped to the U.S. If that's the case, then the Maduro deck is definitely overpriced for a custom playing card deck, and waaaaay overpriced for an unplayable deck.
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I'm quite sure the number cards weren't there in the begining of the campaign. I posted a comment requesting him to show the number cards and I belive he only updated the campaign page after that.sinjin7 wrote:Thanks, I somehow missed the spot cards when I checked out this KS. Well, it's officially confirmed then, this deck will not be playable, its going to be an edge reader. I'm trying to come up with card games where it doesn't matter if the location of courts or aces are given away, and I can't come up with anything. Its a shame, really, this is a very attractive deck that is ruined for actual use.Cbkimble wrote:Not sure if noticed but there is an image of the 10oS, and a few others, on the page now. It appears as though all spot cards will have an image of a specific cigar with it's title.
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His last comment regarding deck's playability " I also have learned with experience that anyone that is playing serious enough games where people might be getting an "edge" by looking for marked cards usually are never using my art style playing cards."
I guess that says a lot!
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I guess that says a lot!
(sorry for the double post)
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Idk how much that will affect the play-ability. If it does, much, then that would be too bad because the cigar theme would make them a good choice of deck to use in most houses I play cards.
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I too don’t know how bad it will affect playability for recreational use. I do agree with Jackson that the band is an Essential design element. Perhaps with an inside border, but even that would look bad IMO.
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Simple solution- cut the full-bleed short! He doesn't have to make that band go all the way to the edge. Or he could add a full-bleed band to the spot cards, maybe at a very minimal opacity behind the pips then adjusting the level until it's 100% at the edge. I don't know, I'm not a deck designer. All I know is playability or not, the cards are unaesthetically pleasing, especially in a fan. And for an $18 EPCC deck designed by someone who has created 40+ decks of cards I would expect better.
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Re: Maduro Playing Cards (Kings Wild Project) now live on KS
Honestly I'm all about artist intent. If his intention is to create cards where the spot cards DON'T have bands then so be it. It's the man's creative vision--he's allowed that--especially after 40 projects. It's ultimately up to him to choose what kind of deck he's making. Not every deck is for every body. It's not a 'his way or the highway' scenario--there's freewill here. LOL. No one is being forced to back the project. If you look at some of his previous releases (legal tender USA for instance) each suit has a different color background. Is that eminently playable? Not really. But that deck is brilliant aesthetically in my opinion. Obviously 382 people thus far find the design pleasing enough that the project was backed in about 8 hours.
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Re: Maduro Playing Cards (Kings Wild Project) now live on KS
Having a different background color on the faces has no effect on playability. Having bands go full bleed to the edges of only he courts and aces totally affects playability. This is known as edge reading, you will be able to tell approximately where the courts and aces are in a deck simply by looking at the edges of a stack of cards. We had a discussion about this on the Legal Tender thread because Jackson originally wanted to have holographic foil bleed to the edges on only the court cards. Interestingly, he agreed by doing so would make his deck unplayable and agreed to shorten the holo foil strip just short of the edges so the courts wouldn't be given away.TheGentlemanWake wrote:Honestly I'm all about artist intent. If his intention is to create cards where the spot cards DON'T have bands then so be it. It's the man's creative vision--he's allowed that--especially after 40 projects. It's ultimately up to him to choose what kind of deck he's making. Not every deck is for every body. It's not a 'his way or the highway' scenario--there's freewill here. LOL. No one is being forced to back the project. If you look at some of his previous releases (legal tender USA for instance) each suit has a different color background. Is that eminently playable? Not really. But that deck is brilliant aesthetically in my opinion. Obviously 382 people thus far find the design pleasing enough that the project was backed in about 8 hours.
I agree Jackson's artistic intent needs the bands for the theme of his cigar deck. He could've had the bands stop short of the edges like he planned to do with the Legal Tender deck, or if that went against his design aesthetic, then he could've had bands on the spot cards as well, like vasta41 already suggested. Of course Jackson can do whatever he wants, and none of us are forced to back him, all that goes without saying. But many people play card games with their decks because, well, that's the intended purpose of playing cards. On this forum, cardists would like to have good looking face-out fans and clean spreads. It's unfortunate this won't be the case with the Maduro deck.
I don't know about others, but I like cards that offers the most versatility and check the boxes on most of my needs. I want cards to be beautifully collectible, handle like a dream for cardistry/magic, and be practically playable for poker. Especially if it's $18.00+ per deck. Jackson is talented enough to have many fans, so his projects always fund quickly. I just rather see deck designers progress and be more inclusive for the use of their decks. Sadly, on this deck, Jackson has regressed due to his choice to narrow the scope of utility.
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Re: Maduro Playing Cards (Kings Wild Project) now live on KS
I am not sure where $18 a deck comes from. Mine are $14 for a silver deck. I d have a one cost of $6 added to my domestic order, but all additional are $14 each ($16 international). Honestly, I am seeing a lot in that range. Also, they do have that band added on. I don’t think that adds $2 to the cost, but it does add some cost. Anyway, back it or don’t back it. Your choice. I don’t back every Kickstarter playing card campaign.
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