sinjin7 wrote:My goodness, both of you just please stop! Calling each other butt-hurt or childish/infantile doesn't prove any point for either of you and you both look equally petty. I hope the mods can nip this in the bud before it escalates any further.
I do have a request to ask from anyone who actually got the limited edition or the regular edition Flywheels deck: On the tucks of either deck, where does it say the cards are printed, Taipei or China? Regardless of where they're printed (because you never really know with Jackson ), how is the handling of the cards? I'm never getting another Jackson deck, but I am interested to know whether the handling has improved from EPCC/LPCC's Chinese factory in the event if any other deck designer decides to print from them. We all know how much the Legal Tender decks sucked, and I'm hearing Paul Carpenter's Radia deck handles pretty poor as well. If these were in fact printed in China, I'm just curious to see if they're improving.
Sin all it says is this
Yes, however, on CARC (on the site you can zoom into the bottom of the photo and clearly read the tuck text):
JR's first tuck rendering also revealed on the bottom of the tuck that it would be printed @ EPCC China.
rousselle wrote:You are a fussy, picky guy.
Lotrek wrote:Given the number of morons produced in the world every day, a pessimist is actually a well informed realist.
Räpylätassu wrote:"Tyhmyydestä sakotetaan." You get fined for being stupid.
Im sure with all the heat JR took for the Legal Tender decks and the quality of them, that now he just refuses to name which company is actually producing them.
Hmm, so it appears his limited tucks don't mention where the cards are printed, while the regular editions disclose that it's EPCC China after all. I guess Jackson felt he couldn't admit to cards being printed in China in a limited deck for which he's charging so much money. I guess if you never mention where the cards are printed, you never have to lie (or bear false witness) about it afterwards. Exodus 20:16. At least the limited tucks don't claim the Chinese cards were printed in Taiwan this time around. Baby steps.
Cbkimble wrote:Has anyone tried to contact Jackson to find out or are you all just wanting to throw mud in his face?
Are you actually serious?!? What mud is being thrown here? I just wanted to know where these decks were printed since I didn't buy any myself. The photos Pierre and TwoPieceFeed showed clearly establish the limited edition doesn't bother to even disclose where they're printed while the regular editions are printed in EPCC China. Now maybe if Jackson never mislead anyone about where his Legal Tender decks were printed, then maybe we'd be throwing mud. Or if Jackson ever publicly cleared up the issue of the Legal Tenders being printed in Taipei being a lie, then maybe we'd be throwing mud. All I see is a discussion about where the Flywheel decks were being printed. The only things thrown in Jackson's face are hard facts and truth, not mud.
Cbkimble wrote:Has anyone tried to contact Jackson to find out or are you all just wanting to throw mud in his face?
Are you actually serious?!? What mud is being thrown here? I just wanted to know where these decks were printed since I didn't buy any myself. The photos Pierre and TwoPieceFeed showed clearly establish the limited edition doesn't bother to even disclose where they're printed while the regular editions are printed in EPCC China. Now maybe if Jackson never mislead anyone about where his Legal Tender decks were printed, then maybe we'd be throwing mud. Or if Jackson ever publicly cleared up the issue of the Legal Tenders being printed in Taipei being a lie, then maybe we'd be throwing mud. All I see is a discussion about where the Flywheel decks were being printed. The only things thrown in Jackson's face are hard facts and truth, not mud.
Yeah... I don't see any mud being thrown. The last time that I checked, JR doesn't run quality control at EPCC China. People that complain about the EPCC China decks aren't damning JR. Some people just aren't interested in cards that are printed there.
rousselle wrote:You are a fussy, picky guy.
Lotrek wrote:Given the number of morons produced in the world every day, a pessimist is actually a well informed realist.
Räpylätassu wrote:"Tyhmyydestä sakotetaan." You get fined for being stupid.
What I mean is, did you contact him about the printing or are you just making assumptions. I didn't speak to him about the mishap with the Legal Tender decks. The only thing I can say is that Jackson needs a PR manager to explain these kinds of issues so that we aren't making assumptions.
I absolutely spoke to Jackson directly about the Legal Tender decks. Despite the tucks claiming the decks were printed in Taipei, I flat out asked him where the cards were actually printed and he admitted to me they were printed in China instead. I then advised him to make clear disclosure on his Kickstarter page about this issue and explain this was an error and not an attempt to mislead anyone. I explained to him not only is this a material misrepresentation of his deck which would cause people to lose faith in his integrity if it ever got out without him making any attempt whatsoever to disclose and correct, but that he could also potentially face legal liability under the warranty laws of the United States. He never made any explanation or correction about this misrepresentation and its now been a year and a half since his KS campaign ended.
As for the Flywheels deck, the pictures in the ad copy show Jackson didn't even bother stating where the limited edition decks were printed, but the standard decks were clearly printed in China. No assumptions here, no need to contact Jackson, the pictures clearly tell the story.
So.
Jackson is fully cogniscent of your ignorance.
And so Jackson ignores uc input.
Got it.
Context and delivery, timing is everything.
No inference, no mud, no worries.
Has the Lady with the Large Voice sung yet, I plud ?
O, I beg of you your comprehensions,
yet laugh at your contempts ....
my only competition is with myselves.
But Lèse-majesté, especially >Normans, natch.
Is jarnstill the Ars of the Hors Nebulous ?
Neigh .... the Effluxor of the Omniverse ??
), how is the handling of the cards? I'm never getting another Jackson deck, but I am interested to know whether the handling has improved from EPCC/LPCC's Chinese factory in the event if any other deck designer decides to print from them. We all know how much the Legal Tender decks sucked, and I'm hearing Paul Carpenter's Radia deck handles pretty poor as well. If these were in fact printed in China, I'm just curious to see if they're improving.
