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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) On Kickstarter in November

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RichK, you may be right. Honeybee Special Edition though was fairly intricate and it was made with MetalLuxe. I agree though, best to check with the manufacturer. If if not, it might be able to be modified slightly to use MetalLuxe. I agree with others, that it would be great to see this in foil. I would prefer a stunning deck, and pay more for it. Either way though, I am in.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) On Kickstarter in November

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The brightworked coins for the "MetalLuxe" Honeybee SE deck were by definition better than the defective and un-shiny decks themselves.
Before we get all distracted about this failure to deliver by uspcc, concentrate on the art of this creator, and put it in the hands of a company sympathetic to that art ....
i.e. *Any company other than uspcc*
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I don't mind NPCC, but it might be a big turn off for others. Still, NPCC is nowhere near as bad as some people say, completely fine for normal gameplay, does not feel "off" when you look the cards in your hands. They also get nowhere enough recognition for the excellent tuck boxes they have put out, one of the best in that regard. Maybe their decks does not fit to magic or cardistry that well, but honestly, honestly, who is really going to use this deck for either of them. That being said, EPCC, LPCC, USPCC are all good options. Problem with USPCC of course that you need a heck of a lot of money to get the decks even printed and then even more to have a foil and embossing on the tuck box. I take EPCC/LPCC deck with all the bells and whistles over an USPCC plainjane tuck any day.

I finally got Giovanni's Sins decks today and I think they were printed in EPCC's Chinese factory. The quality wasn't bad at all, they were just a pain in the ass to open, as the cellophane outside and inside was quite hard to remove. So I prefer the Taiwanese factory.

I am pretty much going to get this deck anyway, wherever it's printed, given that the design continues to be as good as shown. If you are once again going to print a limited special version, I hope that
1. It's not just a tuck swap (different courts, different Jokers, different back design, foil, just as it someway different, not just in color).
2. If a different printer is used for the possible limited edition as in previous projects, I prefer NPCC over MPC. Simply: So much better tuck boxes.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) On Kickstarter in November

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I like it.
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Räpylätassu wrote:Still, NPCC is nowhere near as bad as some people say, completely fine for normal gameplay, does not feel "off" when you look the cards in your hands. They also get nowhere enough recognition for the excellent tuck boxes they have put out, one of the best in that regard.
I can agree with you here, sure the cards are fine to gameplay and the boxes are quite good. But the thing that bugs me is the prices they charge. For an ok deck to play I don't pay more than $3- $4, but NPCC charges the same values as USPCC when they product is lightyears behind them... So yeah, NPCC is crap, when you weight the price charged and the product delivered. Their decks should be in the price range of $5 - $8 and not the $10-$13 they practice...
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) On Kickstarter in November

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Räpylätassu wrote:NPCC is nowhere near as bad as some people say, completely fine for normal gameplay.
I can't even remember what my first NPCC deck was, the handling was such utter crap I threw them away and I swore I'd never buy an NPCC deck again. But after several months, some people on this forum started to say NPCC was improving and the quality of the finish was not so bad anymore. I decided to give NPCC another chance and pledged for the Midgard decks since the artwork was so nice. NPCC improved . . . from utter crap to disappointingly inadequate. It was fine for normal gameplay for about 3 hours and then they started to clump and stick to the point they were unpleasant to even shuffle. Now granted, my weekly poker nights last 5 hours and even a USPCC deck is pretty beat up by the end of the night, but at least they last the 5 hours and are in still usable condition afterwards. And forget about any cardistry application with NPCC.

With all the great decks being pumped out now, I don't need to compromise with my custom decks. It is unacceptable to have to choose between great quality or great artwork, I expect all my decks to have both now. Even awesome art/design with mediocre quality and handling doesn't cut it for me anymore. If a designer puts so much time, effort, and love into their design and they produce something beautiful, I just don't understand why they would compromise on the printer and not go for the highest quality they can truly be proud of and produce the complete package? To sms69x's point, most people printing with NPCC still charge the same prices as USPCC/EPCC decks. When I see this, I suspect it's just a naked cash grab and I walk away.

It looks like Natalia has a great deck in the works with Avalon, I hope she follows through with the complete package.
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Thank you so much everyone for your comments and suggestions! I really appreciate each and every opinion!

I totally agree that when you put so much time, effort, and love into your design......you want to see a beautiful, high quality product at the end.
I like USPCC but it will be crazy expensive even just to print gold foil/embossed tuck case. With EPCC (in Taiwan) I could afford to add more luxury elements to the deck. hmmmm.....not sure yet.

Thank you so much EVERYONE for your help!!! :)

Kind regards,
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NataliaSilva2015 wrote:Thank you so much everyone for your comments and suggestions! I really appreciate each and every opinion!

I totally agree that when you put so much time, effort, and love into your design......you want to see a beautiful, high quality product at the end.
I like USPCC but it will be crazy expensive even just to print gold foil/embossed tuck case. With EPCC (in Taiwan) I could afford to add more luxury elements to the deck. hmmmm.....not sure yet.

Thank you so much EVERYONE for your help!!! :)

Kind regards,
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If you feel comfortable doing so, I would love to see the price comparisons with the two companys. As in: you could do A for $$$ with USPCC or A+B+C for $$ with EPCC.
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Re: Avalon (Natalia Silva) On Kickstarter in November

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Hey Natalia! Not what I was expecting at all for your next deck, these look brilliant. Can't wait to see more of the court designs. I'll be good for a couple I think.
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Hey Everyone!

"AVALON" Playing Cards campaign starts on November 1st at 10:00 A.M. California time!

Thank you so much!

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Now live

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EPCC :(
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vasta41 wrote:EPCC :(
Just to be safe! If I get a big budget.....I would be able to change it to USPCC!
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Looks very different than her usual stuff. Reminds me of decks from years ago by a particular artist. Good looking pips but the tuck kills it for me. Looks odd for a tuck to have a back design on both sides. I might change my mind.
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NataliaSilva2015 wrote:
vasta41 wrote:EPCC :(
Just to be safe! If I get a big budget.....I would be able to change it to USPCC!
You should add that to the campaign page! More people may pledge because of it... :ugking:
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Some of us would rather have foil. This deck needs to be decked out in foil. :ugdance:
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Bradius wrote:Some of us would rather have foil. This deck needs to be decked out in foil. :ugdance:
Yes! Deck the deck out!
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Thank you guys!

YES! It will definitely will have embossing and gold foils!
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Hey Everyone!

Take a look at cool Jokers from "AVALON" Playing Cards!
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Thank you!

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Nice Natalia. I love diptych jokers
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Urgh, Natalia, that diptych is phenomenal. So glad I'm in for a pair.
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portcullis wrote:Urgh, Natalia, that diptych is phenomenal. So glad I'm in for a pair.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your kind support!!!
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Hey Everyone!

Take a look at my new Ace of Diamonds from "AVALON" Playing Cards!

Ace of Diamonds - Holy Grail.

Holy Grail is a Cup used at Last Supper; object of quests of Knights of the Round Table.

Thank you!

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Great Ace! Love your custom pips too. This better fund.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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LIMITED RED EDITION - available NOW!

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Who is printing it?
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Who is printing it?
EPCC
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NataliaSilva2015 wrote:LIMITED RED EDITION - available NOW!
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Bradius wrote:
Who is printing it?
EPCC
Are you sure??

The main deck will be printed by EPCC, this one I'm not sure. Given the specs I would say MPC, but only Natalia can confirm.
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sms69x wrote:
Bradius wrote:
Who is printing it?
EPCC
Are you sure??

The main deck will be printed by EPCC, this one I'm not sure. Given the specs I would say MPC, but only Natalia can confirm.
I'm not sure if MPC does gold foil backs but I could be wrong. If EPCC, then this foiled deck might be getting printed in China.....Still, better to hear it from Natalia on who is printing the red foiled back deck.
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