Re: RADIA, The Spiritual Successor to AURUM by Encarded
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:20 pm
Yeah, Paul or other deck producers. Don’t try to make me happy with an extra sticker. Just...don’t. No.
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Spoiler Alert: It's not.sms69x wrote:But I'm sure it is a stunning sticker laser-cut on his new laser cut thing...
I just guessed, but ya it's a kick in the nuts for sure...!alric wrote:I thought you were joking.
I have to respectfully and emphatically disagree with the artwork being "average". The number problems on the seals is a huge let down, though.sms69x wrote:So after all the waiting - much like any other KS project, except this was not a KS project, and we were told that the decks were shipping short after pre-order - I finally received my order... But the wait was well worth it, look at what I got inside:Not one but two fantastic stickers!!
Now onto the deck, I tried to open it very carefully, because of the before mentioned issue with the ink on the seal, but even so I managed to get the number on the cellophane: Not only I have now a partially numbered seal I also have a partially numbered cellophane, this must be the special hidden feature Paul didn't want to disclose in the first place.
The deck is just an ok deck. The artwork is very average (or Chancellor'ish) and the back design is a bit better, but nothing breathtaking. This was most likely my last buy from Paul, at least in this blind format.
All in all I think this deck was just over hyped and over priced, a bold move from Paul, that worked in his favor in the short term (after all he managed to sell all the decks in a few days), but it may very well do him more harm than good in the middle term...
Well, he can't be a 1-hit wonder if one person that Zenith is his only great deck, and another says that Aurum is his only great deck... On top of having more than a handful of great decks.sms69x wrote: This guy is a one hit wonder who lived in the shadow of one deck (Aurum) for too many time, and he found out that ripping people's money was ok, since people were giving the money at him without hesitation - yeah I know, if poeple were giving him the money that's not ripping-off, but since the product delivered was always sub-par, then for me it is ripping-off - so why not keep doing the same until the bubble bursts? And I think it brust, FINALLY..
So an word of advise, for new members, be very careful about Paul Carpenter and Encarded. It is not because the designer or company is in the business for some years that he won't screw you if he got the chance.
I didn't say that he "shouldn't", but he isn't obligated to... I mean, first of all, we're not receiving knowledge first-hand. Did this Chinese buyer purchase directly from Encarded? If not, then I would certainly argue that he definitely shouldn't replace it. Also, I just can't fathom a scenario in which a card comes out of a seal tuck like that.tapunan wrote:Uhm why should he not replace an expensive deck with a production damage like that. I was actually thinking of buying Radia sometime next month but based on this, will not go ahead.
I completely agree with 2pc here. I'm no detective but if the card came out-of-the-box like that then how could it have possibly curled up? There's no room for a fart in tuck boxes so there's no possible way for a card to come out of a box like that. Paul has made his mistakes, no doubt. But if I were him and saw that picture I would say, "be more careful next time!"TwoPiece wrote:I didn't say that he "shouldn't", but he isn't obligated to... I mean, first of all, we're not receiving knowledge first-hand. Did this Chinese buyer purchase directly from Encarded? If not, then I would certainly argue that he definitely shouldn't replace it. Also, I just can't fathom a scenario in which a card comes out of a seal tuck like that.tapunan wrote:Uhm why should he not replace an expensive deck with a production damage like that. I was actually thinking of buying Radia sometime next month but based on this, will not go ahead.
I wasn't going to say so earlier, but since you responded, this just sounds like a scam to me. It looks intentionally peeled off. Otherwise, this would be an isolated incident, among a thousand decks. The likelihood of you receiving a deck in this condition seems close-to-impossible.
I think that people get far too entitled, RE: to replacement decks, just because there happen to be some outlets that don't hesitate to provide them. If a limited deck is sealed and sold, how/why is it the retailer's fault? If they don't willingly replace it, there are buyer protection clauses for a reason. Every bank and credit card company have them (some better than others). This type of attitude can get out of hand easily.
Should've add IMO (sorry about that)TwoPiece wrote:Well, he can't be a 1-hit wonder if one person that Zenith is his only great deck, and another says that Aurum is his only great deck... On top of having more than a handful of great decks.
Yeah "difficult" doesn't mean that the cards may not all be perfect playable in my book. Instead of him hypping the deck as he did if he only admited that things my not turn out perfect and some issues, like the one I posted, may happen maybe he wouldn't have sold out that deck so quick. But again I guess he's not here to be transparent, he's just here when he needs some extra money...TwoPiece wrote:He specifically said that this process may never be used again because of its difficulty. That's public knowledge. IMO it would be nice of him to send a replacement, but it's not like he HAS to.
Yes he bought the deck directly from Encarded. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to even request a replacement or refund from Paul.. Sure he could contact him to try to get an explanation, but not expecting a replacement.TwoPiece wrote: ... I mean, first of all, we're not receiving knowledge first-hand. Did this Chinese buyer purchase directly from Encarded?
It sounds more like a fanboy talking... But that's my opinion only.TwoPiece wrote:I wasn't going to say so earlier, but since you responded, this just sounds like a scam to me. It looks intentionally peeled off. Otherwise, this would be an isolated incident, among a thousand decks. The likelihood of you receiving a deck in this condition seems close-to-impossible.
Hey, thanks for having a civil discussion. Sometimes things get out of whack here when we disagree.sms69x wrote:Should've add IMO (sorry about that)TwoPiece wrote:Well, he can't be a 1-hit wonder if one person that Zenith is his only great deck, and another says that Aurum is his only great deck... On top of having more than a handful of great decks.
Yeah "difficult" doesn't mean that the cards may not all be perfect playable in my book. Instead of him hypping the deck as he did if he only admited that things my not turn out perfect and some issues, like the one I posted, may happen maybe he wouldn't have sold out that deck so quick. But again I guess he's not here to be transparent, he's just here when he needs some extra money...TwoPiece wrote:He specifically said that this process may never be used again because of its difficulty. That's public knowledge. IMO it would be nice of him to send a replacement, but it's not like he HAS to.
Yes he bought the deck directly from Encarded. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to even request a replacement or refund from Paul.. Sure he could contact him to try to get an explanation, but not expecting a replacement.TwoPiece wrote: ... I mean, first of all, we're not receiving knowledge first-hand. Did this Chinese buyer purchase directly from Encarded?
It sounds more like a fanboy talking... But that's my opinion only.TwoPiece wrote:I wasn't going to say so earlier, but since you responded, this just sounds like a scam to me. It looks intentionally peeled off. Otherwise, this would be an isolated incident, among a thousand decks. The likelihood of you receiving a deck in this condition seems close-to-impossible.
Due to the limited amount of decks sold (1000 if I'm not mistaken) and the limit purchase per buyer (4) I doubt that many people will open their decks.. So assuming that is "close-to-impossible" situation is a bit of a stretch, but then again is my opinion.
Small correction - Radia is printed in China and not in Taiwan.TwoPiece wrote: It was such a pain for both Encarded and EPCC that the Taiwanese printer will likely never do this again.
I never said that the curl happened "out of the box". What happened, and was what I wanted to show, is that the back was already un-glued from the card, the curl just happens naturally once you have the card resting withou any heavy weight on it (you can try it with your Radia deck).TwoPiece wrote:I'm not a top-notch physicist or anything, but the image itself doesn't lend any understanding as to how or why that would occur allegedly "out of the box".
I haven't had any of these problems. Could it be a weather thing? I could see problems occuring in higher temperatures or humid climates. My cards are never in humid conditions and haven't been exposed to temperatures above 75 degrees Fahrenheit.sms69x wrote:I never said that the curl happened "out of the box". What happened, and was what I wanted to show, is that the back was already un-glued from the card, the curl just happens naturally once you have the card resting withou any heavy weight on it (you can try it with your Radia deck).TwoPiece wrote:I'm not a top-notch physicist or anything, but the image itself doesn't lend any understanding as to how or why that would occur allegedly "out of the box".
Have you checked how your Radia deck is bowed in in upward direction (cards facing down)?? Mine is under two other decks and still show a big bow. I'll try to snap a shoot later today when I get home.
Actually, he does. It's called the Implied Warranty of Merchantability. Consumers have a right to receive goods that meet their expectations and are what they're supposed to be. Unless Paul utilized express disclaimers on the functionality of his decks in his promotion of Radia (and he did not), then he IS obligated to offer a functional replacement or a refund.TwoPiece wrote:IMO it would be nice of him to send a replacement, but it's not like he HAS to.
Well not sure if the same guy or not. When I talked with him I explicitly asked if the card was that way "out of the box" (meaning the back already unglued) to which he responded "yes". So I have no reason not to trust him. But I may not know his full background, as you clearly seem to know.akicer wrote:Okay, repost my two cents on this Chinese guy.
I know that guy as well, he's quite famous among Chinese collectors, but with a bad reputation. He created a thread showing how he ripped off the Radia card in a Chinese forum. A natural question is, did he do that because of seeing the broken card? Or did he took the picture while he was trying to rip the back off? I don't know and I don't care to know, to me not all buyer's comment worth looking at.
Here the Radia bow: Radia on the left, on the right is the Arthurian deck, which was also printed in China.TwoPiece wrote:I haven't had any of these problems. Could it be a weather thing? I could see problems occuring in higher temperatures or humid climates. My cards are never in humid conditions and haven't been exposed to temperatures above 75 degrees Fahrenheit.sms69x wrote:I never said that the curl happened "out of the box". What happened, and was what I wanted to show, is that the back was already un-glued from the card, the curl just happens naturally once you have the card resting withou any heavy weight on it (you can try it with your Radia deck).TwoPiece wrote:I'm not a top-notch physicist or anything, but the image itself doesn't lend any understanding as to how or why that would occur allegedly "out of the box".
Have you checked how your Radia deck is bowed in in upward direction (cards facing down)?? Mine is under two other decks and still show a big bow. I'll try to snap a shoot later today when I get home.
I didn't pursue that concept due to the response above.Complete foil is okay and doable. It is easy to do but do not recommend it. Your customers will complain.
Large areas of full gold foil can easily produce scratches. And from the borders, the foil will fall off. Check this picture.
@Montenzi - Interesting views or what I can say, opinion, perhaps.montenzi wrote:@guru, Don't want to hijack this thread so it's my last post in this topic. I had a chance to print my latest project with the same printer but know what? There is absolutely no reason to risk printing in China at the same price. Cartamundi is one of a kind in this field! They are incredible. Also please don't compare Metalluxe and Cold foil. They are very different. Metalluxe is a hot foil stamping so you cannot produce full bleed cards and cannot apply foil both sides. Plus lack of details and quality. IMHO there is absolutely no chances for epcc/lpcc to beat Cartamundi. Don't want to explain. Both companies are slowly dying . 1-2 years max.
Radia, in all its likelihood, used cold foiling on the back. Having a full bleed foil on the card back has its consequences. Even if it had borders with white space, I can bet that some customers (high humid climate) would have found this warping problem in a day or two after receiving their decks even if they didn't opened the decks immediately after receiving it." Remember foil expands when heated. It's metal. And I believe it was a bad idea to use 100% foil on the back."
People use hot stamping because it has a more brilliant shine in both luminosity and color. It's because they're foiling from a specific foil color. Cold foil can't match the shine (lumen count).montenzi wrote:Also please don't compare Metalluxe and Cold foil. They are very different. Metalluxe is a hot foil stamping so you cannot produce full bleed cards and cannot apply foil both sides. Plus lack of details and quality. IMHO there is absolutely no chances for epcc/lpcc to beat Cartamundi. Don't want to explain. Both companies are slowly dying . 1-2 years max.