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First, what is the proper term for these? I prefer reproduction or replica, but it seems facsimile is most used by creators.

Anyhow, I saw @dazzleguts using year when the copy was printed AND the date when the deck it was based on was printed in the form of <original year> <reproduction year> with a space between. I LOVE this concept since it makes the dates clear and works with the current system. I would prefer it with a '/' between instead, but given the beta level of some of the code a space is probably best. Ideally we would have a 2nd date field for these kinds of decks to keep the original date separate, along with a selection field to specify it is a reproduction, but this works for now.

The question is should we keep this format and make it part of the guidelines or is a slight variation better? I suppose the deck year is actually more important so maybe that should come first which would help with sorting (if/when that happens), although from a readability perspective the way dazzleguts has been using seems more intuitive. Rhu, any concerns with doing either the dual dates in the single field (either with space or a '/')?
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**edit**
I had a rediculously long and over stuffed post here which can be summed up:

Thank you for the compliment on the dates Nate. :D

I too liked replica more when I started collecting. I slipped into Facsimile basically because it was already in use so much.

I will change how I post the reproductions, and the dates, to accord with whatever is decided.
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Sorry for the double post but I thought this was the right thread for this question.

I've been adding reproduction decks for the last while and only now noticed there are actually Brand name sections for Rose & Pentagram, and for Lo Scarabeo. Did you do that ecNate? Shall I recreate in those sections the ones I have entered into the vintage section, and mark the old entries for deletion, or can they be moved into the appropriate brand as is?

Will there be Brand sections for Il Meneghello, Del Solleone, Harry Margery, the Fournier Museum, and other facsimile deck makers as well? I ask not to say there has to be, but to know if I should wait for that before adding the rest of my facsimiles.
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Hey dazzleguts. You are doing a great job with new additions :) No need to create new entries. The company can easily be changed via edit function. Not sure if you have this enabled in your account but others who have can easily do it. I can do it myself if you list the decks that need the change ;)
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Thank you very much Slavich. :)
I've changed them over now.

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I moved a Fournier repro as well, but just realized there are USPCC decks in the vintage section rather than under USPCC. Feels like there should be a standard there where we either put all vintage decks in the same place, or move them to their Producers, with the remaining odds and ends being Vintage Misc.
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Eventually we might get to the point where things can be vintage AND reproduction (replica or facsimile) AND under any proper creator/brand. Since that apparently may still be a ways off perhaps a new direction is needed in how to handle things until then. I did create the Rose/Pentagram entry in anticipation of this change, but didn't add the other one.

One option would be to create a new category (aka brand) for 'Reproduction (Replica or Facsimile)'. However, this can be a bit complicated since many of the reproduction decks are vintage in their own right since a number were printed in 1970s and 1980s. Although it could be instead that we call it 'Reproduction (Replica or Facsimile) Misc' and only those that don't fall under an existing category/brand go there and reproduction takes priority over vintage. Another option would be to handle reproduction decks through a naming convention of adding 'REPRODUCTION' at the end of the name with clarification in the description if it is replica or facsimile along with other details. Personally I think I prefer using naming convention for all reproduction decks and using more brands if they exist since this will make things a bit easier later when changes are implemented to locate all reproduction decks via a search to set the checkbox and the brands will already be set.

This brings to mind another possible good change to add a '-' prefix or other sorting character that won't cause issues with the code to make the following categories float to the top (or bottom) of the list for easier identification. I suppose Rhu could also do a code change to auto sort anything with 'Misc' as the last word in the category together, but let's not create more work:
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Reproduction Misc - if it is decided to add it
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I'll change my facsimiles to reproductions.

Some brand names are:

Harry Margery
il Meneghello
Fournier Museum
Edizione del Solleone
FG&Co.

I know there may be more but those are the ones I can name off hand. All have published multiple facsimile decks. Solleone is gone but the high quality decks are still around second hand. Same for FG&Co. The County of Alava in Spain, which owns the Fournier Museum now, published a large number of repros of antique decks from the museum's collection in 2004. Fournier Playing Card Company also reproduced some decks from the same collection in the years before that, when it was still allied with the museum, so those decks can also go there.
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