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Couple small new features and fixes today.

https://playingcarddb.com/dbdeck?mydeckid=5154" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I noticed iDoctor has been doing a fantastic job of uploading scans of the back of the cards aswell so I thought we should do something with that :) if you select a scan for the back then you'll get a nice little rollover effect on the deck pages and the main collection view.

We're also going https, I want to improve the SEO on the site over the next year and I would rather everything was under https now rather than have to switch later down the line.
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That's cool rhu :)
I'll follow idoctor's example and make a point of scanning in the backs of decks I've added. I did that with a few of them as I first put them in so I'll try that now.

Just chose the Historical Iceland deck back. It also shows the back when you rollover the image in the vintage group page. :ugdance: Nice feature.

It's also great having the description more visible / higher up in the page.
Wonder if we need to see the deck name twice though?
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Damn - thought I was nering the end of my scanning! Back we go... (ooh pun)
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rhu wrote:Couple small new features and fixes today.

https://playingcarddb.com/dbdeck?mydeckid=5154" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I noticed iDoctor has been doing a fantastic job of uploading scans of the back of the cards aswell so I thought we should do something with that :) if you select a scan for the back then you'll get a nice little rollover effect on the deck pages and the main collection view.
Great job rhu! I added most of the missing deck backs from my collection today. Glad to have that feature and I love how you implemented it. I still think a 3rd option for dedicated backs would be great, but that would require another view option (vs rollover). Not critical though.
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Hi, guys! Thank you so much for your very warm words. I enjoy being among you :)
Rhu, last scans improvement is fantastic and looks great, thanks a lot!
As for the details, I've sent you PM about Bee, hope it will be helpful a little.
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Gentlemen, may I ask you to put a little bit more of your attention on the DB's structurizing. As for me, I'm afraid of two potential problems: with USPCC brands/cards and with Vintage cards. But I'm newcomer here and I'm sure you know much more than I know. I do believe that your professional opinion and decision is necessary.
From my point of view, the principal decision about 'Vintage' age criteria and Vintage section structure should be formally fixed as soon as possible (f/ex 20-25 y.o., or - might be - before 1976). I haven't completed my vintage cards transferring into the database, first of all due to the structure of this section questions (it may takes too much time to relist them later).
I also would like to ask Rhu to create (at first) separated Vintage Casino cards subsection. These cards are very specific, their collectors are few and their market mostly live it's own way (f/ex you may see right now on eBay one vintage Orange GN deck at $1'500.. Nobody outside GN collectors circle will understand this crazy price.). If you don't mind, I can take care about this subsection as I love and collect these cards for years.
As for USPCC, there are some problems with their own cards and customs cards under their logos, especially Bee. I've fixed some particular problems as I could, but I'm afraid the general decision should be found. There are too much private and local Bee cards on the market. I've just messaged Rhu about one typical mistake with well known 'Brown Wynn' Bee (also duplicated on the DB at the moment).
I've seen ones (as far as I remember ecNate's) suggestion to structurize all cards by producer-brand- etc. criteria (to be completed into fixed data DB fields) and do believe that this is the best way to avoid any duplications and mistakes in the future.
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We're populating the new structure rhu mentioned that specifies brand, manufacturer, artist and production company (closest to current brand) at the moment. I believe rhu will then also implement a checkbox for vintage, perhaps also casino and possibly other criteria. This would then allow you to locate all those that are vintage, casino, vintage & casino, etc. It would also make it possible to locate vintage Bee, vintage Maverick, etc with a single new custom search. As you said, currently you have to choose between vintage, casino or USPCC. I think this would also take care of your Bee issue since it could be vintage and casino with the brand being Bee and the production company (aka creator that initiated the creation of the deck) could be the casino.

It seems that rhu is close to making the change, but agree it should be done soon especially now that you are entering so many now.
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I've not managed (yet) to have a really good look at the new Manufacturer / Producer / Artist categories behind the scenes, but even if we went with what was there we can always add new ones on request...

Rhu is coding up a storm though - this is going to be one hell of a resource!
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I've scanned in a bunch of facsimile decks, and am starting on modern decks for the "unknown" section, but I thought I should wait until the new structure is in place before I upload. I don't want to make it more difficult for Rhu. Is that right or should I just go ahead and put them in?
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BICYCLE BUNGALOV

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I have some comments/question about some of the decks that are already in the database. I'm going to create separate posts about each issue.

In the PCDB, there is a deck named BICYCLE BUNGALOV. I'm not sure what this is really called, but it is distinct from BICYCLE BUNGALOW (also in the PCDB separately), although it is very much like a distressed Bungalow deck. One of the advertising cards in the deck has the words "BICYCLE VINTAGE" printed on the back (in the middle of the Rider Back).

Also interesting is the fact that the decks I have are slightly different than the scan in the PCDB—on my tucks, the large Ace of Spades symbol is much lighter than the other brown on the image (the scan in the PCDB shows them the same shade). Also, the "pattern" of the distressing is completely different. On my decks, the distressing is almost all "lightening" with none of the extra darkening in the light blue area shown in the PCDB scan. If anyone has more information, it would be nice to get this figured out.
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BICYCLE BUNGALOU

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There is a deck in the PCDB called BICYCLE BUNGALOU. This is obviously not the correct name (I'm not sure what the correct names is), but there are also two variations of this deck. The model number is 1128 for both, and they both have the same back (matching the scan in the PCDB). The difference is in the faces, where one deck has black numbers/pips on a silver background and the other has silver numbers/pips on a white background.

There is another deck (model 2128) that has the same face as the second one (silver on white), but the back is silver & black on white. I don't know if there is another 2128 that has the black on silver face (it seems like there should be, but I have never seen one).

The combinations look like this:

1128: black/white on silver back, silver on white face
1128: black/white on silver back, black on silver face
2128: black/silver on white back, silver on white face
???: black/silver on white back, black on silver face

Most of the people selling these decks don't provide enough information to figure out which ones they are selling.
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Fashion Decks

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There seems to be some confusion over the Fashion decks. I have 6 decks that I initially considered Fashion decks: Pink, Green, Blue, Aqua, Lavender, and Purple. These all have reversed color faces (i.e. white on a solid colored background).

However, after looking closely, it isn't clear that the pink deck is really part of the set since it has a different Bicycle logo (look at the middle line on the E), has its own barcode and model number (POKER 808-R-PNK), and the company name on the side of the box is different.

It also isn't clear that the purple deck is part of the set—it doesn't really share the same color concept (a light and dark shade of the same color) and the bottom the tuck is also blank, unlike the others.

Beyond those 6, there are a couple other decks that may or may not be part of the set.

First is Berry: I don't believe this is a Fashion deck for a few reasons: the card faces don't have reversed colors, the card backs don't have a dark border around a pastel rider back, the tuck has the Bicycle name in white on a colored background (unlike the rest), the company name on the side of the tuck is different (same as Pink deck), the Bicycle logo is different (same as Pink deck), and it has it's own barcode.

Finally, there is another deck that is very similar to Berry sometimes considered part of the Fashion set. It is a Pink and Lavender deck that actually has different background colors for the red and black cards—the red suits are white on pink, and the black suits are white on lavender. The backs are also different, incorporating the Bicycle logo into the rider back design.

To me, it looks like there are really just 4 decks in the series (Lavender, Aqua, Green, and Blue). The cards in the Pink deck fit the theme perfectly, and may have just been sold separately (hence the barcode) at a different time (different logo). The Berry, Purple, and the Pink/Lavender decks all have some factor that clearly excludes them from the series.
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I am not a Bicycle cards expert but I do remember buying the deck that is called Bungalov. I bought it several years ago and at the time it was being called "Dirty Rags". There was another one made that had light areas where this one has dark - more of a distressed look than a dirty one - and that is what yours sounds like. Here is an ebay auction for yours:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-New-Aqua-C ... 2eb9c82882

And here is the one I have:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Bicycle-2-D ... 1c259d4d98

I don't remember there being a specific name for the distressed one you have.
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After looking at merz67's Ebay listings and the Playing Card Wiki, it appears that the two decks are variations of a deck called "Faded" (commonly referred to as "Faded" and "Faded (Dirty)"). Apparently, these were produced for Vincenzo Di Fatta, although their company name does not appear on the bottom of the tuck as it does on their other decks.

I have ordered two of the dirty variation from merz67, so I'll be able to compare them.
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Yes, I actualy have it in my purchase book in 2010 as "Faded". So Dirty Rags was the common name or nickname.
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Hi, there are a lot of duplications to be excluded. Please put your attention at the 'Edits needed' thread. I've improved a few of them, but the rest to be discussed, I suppose. My knowledges are not enough to choose - which of duplicated items should be deleted.
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dnwheeler wrote:After looking at merz67's Ebay listings and the Playing Card Wiki, it appears that the two decks are variations of a deck called "Faded" (commonly referred to as "Faded" and "Faded (Dirty)"). Apparently, these were produced for Vincenzo Di Fatta, although their company name does not appear on the bottom of the tuck as it does on their other decks.
I suppose it's not a bad idea to add Vincenzo di Fatta to the brands list. There are a lot of decks developed and produced for him in existence. His Bicycle colored serie consist of 9 decks, and there are some other trick decks. What do you think?
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A brand needs to be visible really - if the only way you can know its a Vincenzo Di Fatta deck is just by knowing then it's not a brand. We can add him to the producer list though definitley.
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Of corse, Joe!
I've meant exactly that (sorry for my poor English..)
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Right now, we're conflating the terms "brand" and "producer", when they should really be different. Using the Vincenzo di Fatta colored decks as an example:

Brand: Bicycle
Producer: Vincenzo di Fatta
Manufacturer: USPCC

And, I believe the term "Model" is used to refer to the base deck (e.g., "808 Rider Back" or somesuch).

So, companies like Theory11, Ellusionist, etc. are all producers that use USPCC, EPCC, etc. as a manufacturer. Most manufacturers are also producers of their own designs.
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Absolutely.

I like 'Model' too - it's covered by the naming convention at the moment, but if we (rhu) in the future splits that into seperate parts then model and variant would be a good way to go ("name" being a combination of the two that would be displayed for example).

Some names like MPC could qualify as Manufactuer too... (Impressions deck, producer, brand and manufacturer would be MPC!)
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Absolutely agree - as with Brand-Producer-Manufacturer structure so with Model.
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iDoctor, take a break man! :lol: You're killing it over there, great job and thanks!

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ecNate wrote:iDoctor, take a break man! :lol: You're killing it over there, great job and thanks!

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ecNate, that's thanks to you only!
You've invited me as to upload my collection so to join the team :D
You and Rhu are the soul and the engine of the database, I've just tried to do all my best to follow you!
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Yeah - but it's the enthusiastic contributors like you that will make the difference between a good resource to a truly stupendous one!
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It is amazing how many decks you've put up in a relatively short time iDoctor :shock:
I'm plugging away at 8 or so decks every one or two days. Have you found any particularly useful shortcuts or programs for getting it done? I've been cropping scans into a single folder and then sizing them in batches, but the program I'm using won't let me adjust the colour and sharpness in batches - just one at a time.
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Thank you, guys, for so kind words! :)
Unfortunately I don't have any special scanner or image editor, but a very standard Mac programm only.
I've just got a flu that days.. I've had nothing to do but have had my own cards photobank (collected before).
And I've been absolutely charmed by the PCDB, so have done nothing but uploaded my scans - hence the upload's speed.
I'm glad that could improve PDCB a little bit, it's a really stupendous resource!
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Congrats team! We hit the 2,000 deck mark!!! Actually, 2049 at the moment. Well done! https://playingcarddb.com/carddatabase

BTW - how delayed is the statistic count on the front page? It's really far off, being 90 decks behind.
Our members have already added over 1959 unique decks to the site, and over 27291 decks to their collections in total!
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ecNate wrote:Congrats team! We hit the 2,000 deck mark!!! Actually, 2049 at the moment. Well done! https://playingcarddb.com/carddatabase
Thank you, Nate! Pretty cool! PCDB is growing so fast now. Really well done :D
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Gratz guys, I think the site is helping a lot of collectors get their collection in front of people in a nice clean, simple format.........kudos all around.

I think as members become more comfortable you'll see the "Trade" and "Wish List" features start to pay off for members in the long run :D
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