Germany
- Eoghann
- Moderator
- Posts: 3467
- Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:47 am
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Has thanked: 153 times
- Been thanked: 428 times
- volantangel
- Moderator
- Posts: 3607
- Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:06 am
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Decks Owned: 350
- Location: Singapore
- Has thanked: 219 times
- Been thanked: 297 times
Re: Germany
Wow really really nice! Jase if you ever see them floating on eBay at a steal..
My Collection = Playing Cards + Photography
- dazzleguts
- Moderator
- Posts: 1499
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:32 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- White Whale: Das Kartenspiel Des Oberdeutsc
- Decks Owned: 885
- Has thanked: 210 times
- Been thanked: 142 times
Re: Germany
Sounds like there's going to be a run on these.
Must be that soft touch in the graphics. The patience deck looks harder edged and not as appealing.
It's really cool you're bringing all these cards to the UC table that most people here have never seen before.
Jase =
Must be that soft touch in the graphics. The patience deck looks harder edged and not as appealing.
It's really cool you're bringing all these cards to the UC table that most people here have never seen before.
Jase =
- Norbie
- Member
- Posts: 238
- Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:15 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Decks Owned: 8
- Been thanked: 3 times
Re: Germany
Ok......
I'm just after a nice 54 card deck that uses those traditional German courts like those shown in a post by Jock1971 with the 32 sket deck. I'm not after those vintage decks, just new releases with those courts.
Thanks.
I'm just after a nice 54 card deck that uses those traditional German courts like those shown in a post by Jock1971 with the 32 sket deck. I'm not after those vintage decks, just new releases with those courts.
Thanks.
One Deck at a Time.... One Deck at a Time... One Deck at a Time...
- dazzleguts
- Moderator
- Posts: 1499
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:32 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- White Whale: Das Kartenspiel Des Oberdeutsc
- Decks Owned: 885
- Has thanked: 210 times
- Been thanked: 142 times
Re: Germany
Hi Norbie
In the US you can buy new European decks of all types at TaroBear's Lair. Here's the German cards with French suits page:
http://tarobearslair.com/german-cards-w ... suits.aspx
The poker deck is at the bottom and only $4.25. Don't know what the shipping is like to Australia though. Any site that sells German cards with French suits should have the deck so perhaps you can find a better source?
The name of these courts is the Berlin Pattern, in case that helps in your search. They started in the North of Germany in the early 1800s. The name is confusing since they were named for the location of a factory that started making them in large numbers rather than for their actual origin. You can read about them here if you like - about halfway down the page:
[url]http://a_pollett.tripod.com/cards7.htm[/url]
I'm curious, are you actually planning to use the cards or are they for your collection? I understand wanting a particular deck without the price tag that often goes with it.
In the US you can buy new European decks of all types at TaroBear's Lair. Here's the German cards with French suits page:
http://tarobearslair.com/german-cards-w ... suits.aspx
The poker deck is at the bottom and only $4.25. Don't know what the shipping is like to Australia though. Any site that sells German cards with French suits should have the deck so perhaps you can find a better source?
The name of these courts is the Berlin Pattern, in case that helps in your search. They started in the North of Germany in the early 1800s. The name is confusing since they were named for the location of a factory that started making them in large numbers rather than for their actual origin. You can read about them here if you like - about halfway down the page:
[url]http://a_pollett.tripod.com/cards7.htm[/url]
I'm curious, are you actually planning to use the cards or are they for your collection? I understand wanting a particular deck without the price tag that often goes with it.
- Mike Ratledge
- Site Admin
- Posts: 5496
- Joined: Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:25 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- White Whale: OG USPCC Vanity Fair [mint]
- Decks Owned: 7800
- Location: Awendaw/McClellanville (Charleston county) S.C.
- Has thanked: 1911 times
- Been thanked: 760 times
Re: Germany
Absolutely no question that the European makers have consistently produced the finest cards with the most variety. The one gotcha about getting locked into "vintage and antique Bike" decks is that there is no variation amongst them. You have the Ace of Spades, Jokers (if they exist, and most were discarded - especially hard to find a 120+ year old deck with them because the first thing most people did when they opened the deck was discard the joker(s)), the backs and of course the tuck box - if IT exists.
Contrast this deck, ostensibly the finest ever made: the deck that killed Donforf in 1933 on their 100th anniversary: "Hundertjahrkarte" or Centennial, later reprinted by Waddingtons in Britain in the 60's and again in 1975 by A.S.S. the company that bought Dondorf and to this day still produces a few of their decks under that name.
These are the 1975 version. Waddington's sold under the name "Royal Gothic" - a red / blue pair. Both are distinct from the original 1933 printing which had A/K/D/B (German/Dutch) indices on the courts vice A/K/Q/J the English markings. I've seen a set marked "E/K/D/Kn" which is the Danish marks, probably printed for Wulff in Koebenhavn, since a lot (all?) of their cards were printed by Dondorf and some had "Enteret" on them, meaning 'exclusive' for them only.
I think I'll reproduce them and see how it turns out? (shhh... I didn't say that)
Contrast this deck, ostensibly the finest ever made: the deck that killed Donforf in 1933 on their 100th anniversary: "Hundertjahrkarte" or Centennial, later reprinted by Waddingtons in Britain in the 60's and again in 1975 by A.S.S. the company that bought Dondorf and to this day still produces a few of their decks under that name.
These are the 1975 version. Waddington's sold under the name "Royal Gothic" - a red / blue pair. Both are distinct from the original 1933 printing which had A/K/D/B (German/Dutch) indices on the courts vice A/K/Q/J the English markings. I've seen a set marked "E/K/D/Kn" which is the Danish marks, probably printed for Wulff in Koebenhavn, since a lot (all?) of their cards were printed by Dondorf and some had "Enteret" on them, meaning 'exclusive' for them only.
These are the "28 stone" cards that beat them into bankruptcy. A deck with 16 color faces and 12 color backs, although looking at any of my three varieties I'd have to say that I'm clueless why it needed 12 colors for the back. The court faces are unbelievable, appear to be photographs of the people on them, and even the best of the others have the look where they are clearly identifiable as say 'Charlemagne' on the KoH ("Suicide King"), can see the color of his eyes on those 12 color decks, but - nothing quite like these.
I think I'll reproduce them and see how it turns out? (shhh... I didn't say that)
>Mike<
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself"
They say "Ignorance is bliss". Obviously, some people are much happier than others...
Members are encouraged to
Show Us Your Cards!
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
Our UC2021 Decks entitled
"Odd Fellows"
by Lorenzo Gaggiotti / @Stockholm17
Coming soon: AKA
«Eighth Annual Decks»
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
UC members help maintain Portfolio52
THE Playing Card Database Online
Contact ecNate for details and access
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
UC2019 "Seventh Annual Decks"
by Montenzi Design
Funded 207% on KS: HERE
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
>>> UC Deck Sales <<<
Insert disclaimer here...
All information posted as fact is accurate at the time of posting to the best of my knowledge.
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself"
They say "Ignorance is bliss". Obviously, some people are much happier than others...
Members are encouraged to
Show Us Your Cards!
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
Our UC2021 Decks entitled
"Odd Fellows"
by Lorenzo Gaggiotti / @Stockholm17
Coming soon: AKA
«Eighth Annual Decks»
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
UC members help maintain Portfolio52
THE Playing Card Database Online
Contact ecNate for details and access
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
UC2019 "Seventh Annual Decks"
by Montenzi Design
Funded 207% on KS: HERE
♠ ♥ ♣ ♦
>>> UC Deck Sales <<<
Insert disclaimer here...
All information posted as fact is accurate at the time of posting to the best of my knowledge.
- Eoghann
- Moderator
- Posts: 3467
- Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:47 am
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Has thanked: 153 times
- Been thanked: 428 times
- ecNate
- Member
- Posts: 2099
- Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:46 am
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Decks Owned: 400
- Location: Wisconsin
- Has thanked: 420 times
- Been thanked: 440 times
- Contact:
Re: Germany
FYI - For those in the US, a number of these replica decks can also be found at http://historicgames.com/RPcards.html (Rose & Pentagram Design). They are about 1/2 the cost ($5 plus shipping), but do not come with tucks. If you are in the market for xxx rated antique dice they also have a unique replica of an antique '69' die which is exactly what you think it is.Jock1971 wrote: Gothic Green Oak specializes in Authentic reproduction historic board games, dice and Playing Cards for Museums,re-enactments,Film,television and Theatre.They have a wide range covering nearly 2000 years of European history from the Roman era to The 18th Century. Their website ishttp://www.gothicgreenoak.co.uk
I picked up 3 replicas from them, including the Jost Amman one above
My card collection ('in hand' only) on Portfolio52 (the playing card database)
My wishlist, contact me if you have one to sell, let's chat! (My marketplace review thread)
My card collection thread here at UC
♠️ ♦️ My currently featured deck from my collection at Portfolio 52: Vanity Fair No 41 ♥️ ♣️
As a UC member you are encouraged to contribute/join Portfolio52, the greatest card collection site (FacebookPage)!
My wishlist, contact me if you have one to sell, let's chat! (My marketplace review thread)
My card collection thread here at UC
♠️ ♦️ My currently featured deck from my collection at Portfolio 52: Vanity Fair No 41 ♥️ ♣️
As a UC member you are encouraged to contribute/join Portfolio52, the greatest card collection site (FacebookPage)!
- Eoghann
- Moderator
- Posts: 3467
- Joined: Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:47 am
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Has thanked: 153 times
- Been thanked: 428 times
- dazzleguts
- Moderator
- Posts: 1499
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:32 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- White Whale: Das Kartenspiel Des Oberdeutsc
- Decks Owned: 885
- Has thanked: 210 times
- Been thanked: 142 times
Re: Germany
Interesting about the removal of the Star of David - 8 years before WW II started.
Love the colours on these old decks. They're so warm. Old movies have that warmth too. Printed material and movie colours can be very cold and hard now.
Love the colours on these old decks. They're so warm. Old movies have that warmth too. Printed material and movie colours can be very cold and hard now.
- volantangel
- Moderator
- Posts: 3607
- Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:06 am
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- Decks Owned: 350
- Location: Singapore
- Has thanked: 219 times
- Been thanked: 297 times
Re: Germany
Thats a lovely deck of cards ! Jase you sure dig up all the little gems out there dont you !
My Collection = Playing Cards + Photography
- dazzleguts
- Moderator
- Posts: 1499
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:32 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- White Whale: Das Kartenspiel Des Oberdeutsc
- Decks Owned: 885
- Has thanked: 210 times
- Been thanked: 142 times
Re: Germany
Astronomical - 1719
2004 reproduction of the original, as in the collection of the Fournier Museum in Vitoria, Spain.
I can't sem to find much info on these. These are more archaic but a bit similar to the reproduced 1828 cards in the Installation deck of "Time and Space" that Jase posted to the England thread.
The cards show constellations as painted figures, with their stars in black. The suits are the German Leaves, Bells, Hearts and Acorns. Courts are a King (Konig) and 2 Knaves - an "over"(Ober) and an "under"(Unter). Aces are called Das Daus and you can see them first below, with 2 - 5 of the Leaves suit below that in the same picture. Sorry but all the scans show smallest to largest from right to left.
Here are the rest of the Leaves suit.
2 through 9 of Bells.
10 through King of Bells and 2 through 5 of Hearts.
6 through King of Hearts.
2 through 9 of Acorns.
10 through King of Acorns, and the 2 Title Cards, along with a card back.
[/color]
2004 reproduction of the original, as in the collection of the Fournier Museum in Vitoria, Spain.
I can't sem to find much info on these. These are more archaic but a bit similar to the reproduced 1828 cards in the Installation deck of "Time and Space" that Jase posted to the England thread.
The cards show constellations as painted figures, with their stars in black. The suits are the German Leaves, Bells, Hearts and Acorns. Courts are a King (Konig) and 2 Knaves - an "over"(Ober) and an "under"(Unter). Aces are called Das Daus and you can see them first below, with 2 - 5 of the Leaves suit below that in the same picture. Sorry but all the scans show smallest to largest from right to left.
Here are the rest of the Leaves suit.
2 through 9 of Bells.
10 through King of Bells and 2 through 5 of Hearts.
6 through King of Hearts.
2 through 9 of Acorns.
10 through King of Acorns, and the 2 Title Cards, along with a card back.
[/color]
- dazzleguts
- Moderator
- Posts: 1499
- Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:32 pm
- Collector: Yes
- Player: Yes
- White Whale: Das Kartenspiel Des Oberdeutsc
- Decks Owned: 885
- Has thanked: 210 times
- Been thanked: 142 times
Re: Germany
1966 Neue Altenburger Spielkarte
DDR pattern by Walter Krauss
DDR, Deutsche Demokratische Republik = GDR, Germam Democratic Republic
This is a beautiful deck and definitely one of my faves. Each suit has its own dominant colour - Green for the Leaves (Spades), Red for the Hearts, Orange/Yellow for the Bells (Diamonds) and that wonderful Blue in the Acorns (Clubs). The deck I have has only 24 cards, courts and aces with 9s and 10s, but I believe this is usually found as a Skat deck of 32 cards, courts and aces with 7s - 10s.
Here are the Aces and Kings (Konigs)
There are three main versions of this pattern called: DDR #1, DDR #2 and DDR #3. Cards in all versions show German suits, and no index on the Aces.
Here are the Ober and Unter Knaves.
The first DDR #1 versions of 1964/65 were not successful.
In 1966, there appeared a new edition with modified figures on the court cards, and that is the one you see here - DDR #2 - using the German court card indices of K (Konig/King), O (Ober/Over Knave), U (Unter/Under Knave).
Here are the Pips and back of card.
A third edition, DDR #3, was released in 1969 and had Queens instead of Obers. It used the German court card indices of K (Konig/King), D (Dame/Lady), B (Bube/Knave)
Walter Kraus designed all three versions.
To see all the variations of this pattern go to this excellent article written by Ulrich Knüpfer for the Alta Carta web site:[/color]
http://www.altacarta.com/english/resear ... ttern.html
DDR pattern by Walter Krauss
DDR, Deutsche Demokratische Republik = GDR, Germam Democratic Republic
This is a beautiful deck and definitely one of my faves. Each suit has its own dominant colour - Green for the Leaves (Spades), Red for the Hearts, Orange/Yellow for the Bells (Diamonds) and that wonderful Blue in the Acorns (Clubs). The deck I have has only 24 cards, courts and aces with 9s and 10s, but I believe this is usually found as a Skat deck of 32 cards, courts and aces with 7s - 10s.
Here are the Aces and Kings (Konigs)
There are three main versions of this pattern called: DDR #1, DDR #2 and DDR #3. Cards in all versions show German suits, and no index on the Aces.
Here are the Ober and Unter Knaves.
The first DDR #1 versions of 1964/65 were not successful.
In 1966, there appeared a new edition with modified figures on the court cards, and that is the one you see here - DDR #2 - using the German court card indices of K (Konig/King), O (Ober/Over Knave), U (Unter/Under Knave).
Here are the Pips and back of card.
A third edition, DDR #3, was released in 1969 and had Queens instead of Obers. It used the German court card indices of K (Konig/King), D (Dame/Lady), B (Bube/Knave)
Walter Kraus designed all three versions.
To see all the variations of this pattern go to this excellent article written by Ulrich Knüpfer for the Alta Carta web site:[/color]
http://www.altacarta.com/english/resear ... ttern.html
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests