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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:12 pm  

a double pack from manufacturer Coeur. The pack called "Gracia" was produced in 1972 and was designed by Hannelore Heise.Once again caomes in a clear plastic box with Two geometric back designs one green and one blue,each pack has Three jokers.
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I believe Hannelore designed this deck as a "Thank you"to Coeur for producing her First deck "Essay"back in 1967 with which she won her Diploma with.
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All the two`s and Four`s have little flowers on.
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There are a total of 6 different jokers for this pack (mine only has 3 of the 6) there is also 3 different back designs and a Patience version with a more "Sketchy" version of the courts. All of which can be found at
a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks03/d01415/d01415.htm
Thanks for looking :D -Jase-
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Eoghann » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:45 pm  

WOw that Gracia deck is lovely!
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Re: Germany

Unread postby volantangel » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:11 am  

Wow really really nice! Jase if you ever see them floating on eBay at a steal..
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Sher » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:33 am  

Yeah, I totally agree with Eoghann and Volant. Awesome deck! :D
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Re: Germany

Unread postby dazzleguts » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:59 pm  

Sounds like there's going to be a run on these.
Must be that soft touch in the graphics. The patience deck looks harder edged and not as appealing.

It's really cool you're bringing all these cards to the UC table that most people here have never seen before.

Jase = 8-)
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:20 pm  

Thanks for the comments. :D
@ Volantangel & Eoghann - i will keep my eyes open for you both.
@ Sher - First time you`ve commented on any of my cards. :D Thanks a lot i appreciate it more than you know.
@ Dazzelguts - :oops: Me COOL? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Norbie » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:22 am  

Ok......

I'm just after a nice 54 card deck that uses those traditional German courts like those shown in a post by Jock1971 with the 32 sket deck. I'm not after those vintage decks, just new releases with those courts.

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Re: Germany

Unread postby dazzleguts » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:54 am  

Hi Norbie :)

In the US you can buy new European decks of all types at TaroBear's Lair. Here's the German cards with French suits page:

http://tarobearslair.com/german-cards-with-french-suits.aspx

The poker deck is at the bottom and only $4.25. Don't know what the shipping is like to Australia though. Any site that sells German cards with French suits should have the deck so perhaps you can find a better source?

The name of these courts is the Berlin Pattern, in case that helps in your search. They started in the North of Germany in the early 1800s. The name is confusing since they were named for the location of a factory that started making them in large numbers rather than for their actual origin. You can read about them here if you like - about halfway down the page:

http://a_pollett.tripod.com/cards7.htm

I'm curious, are you actually planning to use the cards or are they for your collection? I understand wanting a particular deck without the price tag that often goes with it.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:50 pm  

16th Century Reproduction Deck by "Gothic Green Oak"
The deck comes in a plain tuck,the cards themselves are printed on card with no finish and the backs are plain.
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Dating to 1588 this 52 card deck is based on one of the most significant works of Jost Amman,one of the more prolific artists of the German Renaissance.
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German printers often experimented with a wide range of symbols,this deck uses Books,Jars,Printer`s Ink Pads & Cups. The Jacks are represented by the Unter (Suit symbol at the bottom of the card) and the Queen are represented by the Ober (Suit symbol at the top of the card). The King is on Horseback and the 10 of each suit is always a female.
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Gothic Green Oak specializes in Authentic reproduction historic board games, dice and Playing Cards for Museums,re-enactments,Film,television and Theatre.They have a wide range covering nearly 2000 years of European history from the Roman era to The 18th Century. Their website is http://www.gothicgreenoak.co.uk..
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Mike Ratledge » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:36 am  

Absolutely no question that the European makers have consistently produced the finest cards with the most variety. The one gotcha about getting locked into "vintage and antique Bike" decks is that there is no variation amongst them. You have the Ace of Spades, Jokers (if they exist, and most were discarded - especially hard to find a 120+ year old deck with them because the first thing most people did when they opened the deck was discard the joker(s)), the backs and of course the tuck box - if IT exists.

Contrast this deck, ostensibly the finest ever made: the deck that killed Donforf in 1933 on their 100th anniversary: "Hundertjahrkarte" or Centennial, later reprinted by Waddingtons in Britain in the 60's and again in 1975 by A.S.S. the company that bought Dondorf and to this day still produces a few of their decks under that name.
These are the 1975 version. Waddington's sold under the name "Royal Gothic" - a red / blue pair. Both are distinct from the original 1933 printing which had A/K/D/B (German/Dutch) indices on the courts vice A/K/Q/J the English markings. I've seen a set marked "E/K/D/Kn" which is the Danish marks, probably printed for Wulff in Koebenhavn, since a lot (all?) of their cards were printed by Dondorf and some had "Enteret" on them, meaning 'exclusive' for them only.

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These are the "28 stone" cards that beat them into bankruptcy. A deck with 16 color faces and 12 color backs, although looking at any of my three varieties I'd have to say that I'm clueless why it needed 12 colors for the back. The court faces are unbelievable, appear to be photographs of the people on them, and even the best of the others have the look where they are clearly identifiable as say 'Charlemagne' on the KoH ("Suicide King"), can see the color of his eyes on those 12 color decks, but - nothing quite like these.

I think I'll reproduce them and see how it turns out? (shhh... I didn't say that)
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Eoghann » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:35 am  

What a fantastic deck of cards.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:14 pm  

Very Nice Mike :D . You can really note the difference in these A.S.S ones to the Waddingtons that are posted in the English thread. The backgrounds seems more clearer and a lot more detail in the clothes, But then Waddingtons only used 9 colours for their set.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:15 pm  

Bit of a dodgy one from the manufacturer Ampelmann of Berlin dated 2013. this skat set called "Glucksspieler" came in a plastic box,there is also a full deck pack called "Falschpieler" which has 3 jokers included.
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The courts are repeating with only minor differences.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby ecNate » Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:52 pm  

Jock1971 wrote:Gothic Green Oak specializes in Authentic reproduction historic board games, dice and Playing Cards for Museums,re-enactments,Film,television and Theatre.They have a wide range covering nearly 2000 years of European history from the Roman era to The 18th Century. Their website ishttp://www.gothicgreenoak.co.uk


FYI - For those in the US, a number of these replica decks can also be found at http://historicgames.com/RPcards.html (Rose & Pentagram Design). They are about 1/2 the cost ($5 plus shipping), but do not come with tucks. If you are in the market for xxx rated antique dice they also have a unique replica of an antique '69' die which is exactly what you think it is. :oops: :lol:

I picked up 3 replicas from them, including the Jost Amman one above
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Eoghann » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:12 pm  

Awesome link! Those dice are hilarious!
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:41 am  

An interesting deck "Skat Express" Printed by Ass in 1978.The deck came in a clear plastic case.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:10 pm  

Another deck by Manufacturer Ass of Germany Titled "Preussisches Doppelbild",this one is dated from 1931 onwards . Between 1925 and 1931 The Star of David was depicted on the Ace of Hearts,this was replaced with the Ass logo after 1931.The Tuck and back is advertising the German Radio Manufacturer SABA.
The Tuck and Back with The Spades Suit.
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The Diamonds.
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The Hearts.
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And last Suit The Clubs.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby dazzleguts » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:27 pm  

Interesting about the removal of the Star of David - 8 years before WW II started.

Love the colours on these old decks. They're so warm. Old movies have that warmth too. Printed material and movie colours can be very cold and hard now.
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Re: Germany

Unread postby Jock1971 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:30 pm  

A Single deck from German manufacturers Couer. This deck titled "Carl Zeiss" was designed by W. Helleis and was produced in 1988-89.
Here`s the Tuck, Back and 3 Jokers.
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The Spades and Diamonds
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and last the Clubs and Hearts
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Re: Germany

Unread postby volantangel » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:01 pm  

Thats a lovely deck of cards ! Jase you sure dig up all the little gems out there dont you !
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