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Here is our alternative version for the back design. This isn't the final piece, there's still some work to be done such as choosing the right background colour and minor design details that we are experimenting with.

A bit of background regarding the sketch in the centre. The war torn flags you see depict the flags that we're used during The Battle of Sekigahara.
The castle is that of the Edo Castle, where Ieyasu put together the Shogunate. It has been replaced by the Tokyo Imperial Palace, although some parts of the old Edo Castle still remains to this day.
The spiral like design of the Komainu is also included, the Komainu being the protector of the Castle to ward off evil spirits.

Please let us know your thoughts on the revised background.

Thank you again :)
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The new back is tons better in my opinion as it fits the theme much more than the previously proposed back. My only criticisms of the new back is that there is a little too much empty space and it seems that the banners are more the focus than Edo Castle...was this intentional? I would like to see Edo Castle more centered and fill out more of the back. Either way, love the way this deck is shaping up...keep up the great work! :ugdance:
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nur1988 wrote: Please let us know your thoughts on the revised background.
It looks 65% done. I like the idea and looks promising, but there's too much empty space. The linework at the corners is nice, but the fans/onions/blobs aren't. I think some more detailed line work and other things to fill the negative/empty space would help a lot. Or even loads of kanji might work, depending on what is written.
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Agree with both above comments.
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TGunitedcardists wrote:
nur1988 wrote: Please let us know your thoughts on the revised background.
It looks 65% done. I like the idea and looks promising, but there's too much empty space. The linework at the corners is nice, but the fans/onions/blobs aren't. I think some more detailed line work and other things to fill the negative/empty space would help a lot. Or even loads of kanji might work, depending on what is written.
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated as always.

The fans/onions/blobs you're referring to isn't any of those things, it's a part of the Tokugawa crest. We'll have a look into this if this is what people are thinking they are.

Anyone else have this perception of the crest?

We're experimenting with kanji work for the negative space, amongst other design details :)
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I have nothing to add except encouragement - your deck is beautiful. I'm loving it so far!
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The new back design is looking more connected with the artwork on the faces, which is great to see :) ...
I know the design isn't finished, but just wanted to throw in one comment: how would it look if the castles were placed top bottom (of the circle) - with banners and clouds on the sides ? It would give you more room to extend upwards (and downwards) - and like shermjack said, make the castle(s) the focal point of the design... Also, a centred top/bottom placement, would prevent them from sliding/toppling.
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Hey guys. So we've taken the feedback on board and we agree that the castle needs to be a focal part of the back design.
In regards to ninelives' comment, having to rotate it so the castle is at the top of the circle would mean we would have to redraw the entire back which would take hours. We've come up with a solution so the castle pop out more on the back than the war torn flags and the Komainu curls. Also, made slight adjustments, please let us know your thoughts.

Also attached are 2 of the face cards. We've made them larger so they fit the deck and drew some japanese mandala design to help fill it out more. The Jack of Spades we are working on to include the larger pip, still adjusting. Would love to know if you prefer courts to have an inside border or no inside border?!

thank you again
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I like the border. It matches well with the border you have on the back.

The front background color looks awful to me, grayish and murky. Unfortunately it helps the art pop more making it stand out better.

I would suggest a different color for the Spade/Club indexes. They are too similar to the Diamond/Heart in my opinion. If you do go that route try making the large suit the same color so you don't have a yellow JoD index with a big red diamond next to it.
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Can't wait for this to launch. It looks great. And seriously loving the JoS pose. I'll be interested to see the KoH too.
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Hi

well I think that there is disparity between your digital work and your hand drawn work. I think just having such a murky block colour background is really not lending itself to the pencil/ink quality of the drawings. Have you looked at "Sumi-e" on google images. Most traditional sumi-e Japanese artworks are done on more of a tea stained background. I think using something like this will help you blend your artwork into the background of the card more easily.
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Pixel Initiative wrote:Hi

well I think that there is disparity between your digital work and your hand drawn work. I think just having such a murky block colour background is really not lending itself to the pencil/ink quality of the drawings. Have you looked at "Sumi-e" on google images. Most traditional sumi-e Japanese artworks are done on more of a tea stained background. I think using something like this will help you blend your artwork into the background of the card more easily.

Hi,

thank you for your feedback. Funny you should mention sumi-e style, we've been experimenting between sumi-e and ukiyo-e style. We are making adjustments every day to try and get a good balance. I agree the murky colour scheme isn't the greatest, rest assured we will improve it.

Thanks again guys :)
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I echo same sentiments as expressed by portcullis. Interested to see the KoH.
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Hi again guys and girls. This is an updated version of the aces, everything is slowly being finalised. Made some major tweaks on the card. Hopefully the colour scheme is to taste for everyone, if not, then the majority.
I will be uploading other court cards soon, again, just finalising some details.

Also attached is the first draft for the box. The font isn't set, just a placeholder for now, however, would love feedback regarding the box design.

The quote attached on the back of the box is that of Ieyasu's, the history books tell me that it was in relation to how he coped with the challenges in his life.

"Persuade thyself that imperfection and inconvenience are the natural lot of mortals, and there will be no room for discontent, neither for despair."

We've procrastinated so much with this. The idea is to do a standard version and then a special edition version. I have a few ideas which I don't want to post as of yet until I'm certain I am able to come through with it.

Hoping to do some embossing for the box. Metallic inks and foiling would also help make it pop, but those are dependent on the kind of funds raised.
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only just realised it's 4 images per post
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Make this a sealed, numbered deck and you got yourself a sale, young person!
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Your "A" on the Spade/Club are red like the Heart/Diamond and all are very faint. Got to fix that.

Tuck needs "Shogun" on front above warrior and more art. Looks way too empty.
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RichK wrote:Your "A" on the Spade/Club are red like the Heart/Diamond and all are very faint. Got to fix that.

Tuck needs "Shogun" on front above warrior and more art. Looks way too empty.
Hi,

Of course, yes that will be fixed, still experimenting with types of fonts. Who would've known this would've have been one of the most stressful things about this? lol

Duly noted regarding the position of the name. Will be taking feedback on board and checking to see what looks best. Will pop back soon with another update.

Thanks again :)
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Another update with the queens
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I'm sorry but at first glance, the red background on the QoD looked like blood splatter to me. I immediately looked for a sword to she if she committed sepuku. The QoH is not as bad although the splatter her waist looks like someone just missed with a paintball round. I'm sure you can fix these easily.
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flashcards wrote:I'm sorry but at first glance, the red background on the QoD looked like blood splatter to me. I immediately looked for a sword to she if she committed sepuku. The QoH is not as bad although the splatter her waist looks like someone just missed with a paintball round. I'm sure you can fix these easily.
The background on each card is the same. Rather than doing an individual design for each card, we did four designs, one for each suit. Once altogether, you'll be able to see that throughout
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nur1988 wrote:
flashcards wrote:I'm sorry but at first glance, the red background on the QoD looked like blood splatter to me. I immediately looked for a sword to she if she committed sepuku. The QoH is not as bad although the splatter her waist looks like someone just missed with a paintball round. I'm sure you can fix these easily.
The background on each card is the same. Rather than doing an individual design for each card, we did four designs, one for each suit. Once altogether, you'll be able to see that throughout
Queens look nice besides the blood splatter and odd splotches on the D + H background. Is there a reason for such odd color design on the background?
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It's been a rollercoaster of a ride with this one. There's been alot of ups and down and some tweaks. I can say, we are 95% completed and plan to go live early next year.
Looking to go live before the blossoming season hits Japan, so when/if the project becomes successful, most will receive it by then.

I am looking for some assistance.
I am in need of someone who does cardistry, in the birmingham, uk area. If anyone knows any, please send them my way.

It won't be paid, but I will do a shoutout on our KS page and you get to keep one of the Shogun prototype decks.
Drop me a PM with your contact details.

Cheers guys
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I joined this forum and started collecting cards in probably early September, so this is the first time I have seen this thread. I love what you have shown of this deck! You'll likely have a buyer here.

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Hey STLBluesNut. I appreciate the support, means a lot.
I certainly want to make this one of the greater hand drawn decks to be released :)
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Gosh, your art is fantastic! However, The face on the Jack of Spades is a bit pale and looks kinda like a mask which I don't really like. But will definitely back this when it comes out :)!
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cant wait to see these turn into reality, hopefully getting close, these are right up my street : )
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