The Dictators - Initial design work
The Dictators - Initial design work
Hey all!
My name is Matt and im working on a deck in collaboration with Will (artist). We’re making a deck with the theme of ‘Dictators’. General symbology and themes for the cards relating to the dictators and their political systems are being considered and used. We’ll also be grouping reds (communists etc) with the diamonds and hearts, and others with the spades and clubs.
I’ve attached some samples of the court cards (including Saddam, Khomeini, Gaddafi), the Ace of spades (based on Saddam’s Fedayeen fighters), the numbered cards (with different font samples), the pips (hammer and sickle, imperial eagle, shahada, red star) and also some variations of the back cards. We’re hoping to make a light/propaganda deck and dark/menacing deck as a variation also. Jokers will be Vlad the Impaler and Ivan the Terrible.
Happy to get some feedback on what all you guys/girls think so far? Is the sizing of each element ok? Is the chosen colour and design (with paint splashes etc) appealing? What can be improved (maybe include borders) etc?
Thanks
My name is Matt and im working on a deck in collaboration with Will (artist). We’re making a deck with the theme of ‘Dictators’. General symbology and themes for the cards relating to the dictators and their political systems are being considered and used. We’ll also be grouping reds (communists etc) with the diamonds and hearts, and others with the spades and clubs.
I’ve attached some samples of the court cards (including Saddam, Khomeini, Gaddafi), the Ace of spades (based on Saddam’s Fedayeen fighters), the numbered cards (with different font samples), the pips (hammer and sickle, imperial eagle, shahada, red star) and also some variations of the back cards. We’re hoping to make a light/propaganda deck and dark/menacing deck as a variation also. Jokers will be Vlad the Impaler and Ivan the Terrible.
Happy to get some feedback on what all you guys/girls think so far? Is the sizing of each element ok? Is the chosen colour and design (with paint splashes etc) appealing? What can be improved (maybe include borders) etc?
Thanks
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Jokers could profitably be G Bush Jnr and Donald Trump, don't you think ?
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work (wap)
Hey Bruno,
Thats a good point you have made. It'll be good to get some more votes on that from the forum members too. Personally i was preferring the more historic 'legendary' figures for the jokers but can always change. Matt
Thats a good point you have made. It'll be good to get some more votes on that from the forum members too. Personally i was preferring the more historic 'legendary' figures for the jokers but can always change. Matt
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Good O, Matt, I like your back, could you ramp it up into a real good lifelike fist ? The present one is good, but only 'represents' the umm, 'sentiment' .... if you will.
O, I beg of you your comprehensions,
yet laugh at your contempts ....
my only competition is with myselves.
But Lèse-majesté, especially >Normans, natch.
Is jarnstill the Ars of the Hors Nebulous ?
Neigh .... the Effluxor of the Omniverse ??
yet laugh at your contempts ....
my only competition is with myselves.
But Lèse-majesté, especially >Normans, natch.
Is jarnstill the Ars of the Hors Nebulous ?
Neigh .... the Effluxor of the Omniverse ??
Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Will do Bruno. We'll have a look at doing that in the next revision and may post here. Thanks for your feedback! Matt
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
The font you've chosen is a poor choice. It's hard to read and does nothing for the design.
I suggest not making all the court cards face the same way. Hopefully it will mimic a deck of cards with some cards with one eye Jacks and cards facing the opposite direction.
I suggest not making all the court cards face the same way. Hopefully it will mimic a deck of cards with some cards with one eye Jacks and cards facing the opposite direction.
Re: The Dictators - Initial design work (wap)
@TGunitedcardists ... Thankyou for your feedback. Font will be adapted, and yes the court cards will end up being altered to reflect the face directions in the traditional deck. Matt
Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Just a clarification on font. Do you mean the font of the numbers or font of the J/Q/K... Or both?TGunitedcardists wrote:The font you've chosen is a poor choice. It's hard to read and does nothing for the design.
I suggest not making all the court cards face the same way. Hopefully it will mimic a deck of cards with some cards with one eye Jacks and cards facing the opposite direction.
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Why aren't you use your custom pips on all of the number cards vs. just the corners?
To me it looks like the spade J/Q/K were all shot. Notice the red and black splotches? Is that intentional?
I'm not a fan of the yellow dots around the courts either. I don't know if you can put their names so we know who they are.
Thanks.
To me it looks like the spade J/Q/K were all shot. Notice the red and black splotches? Is that intentional?
I'm not a fan of the yellow dots around the courts either. I don't know if you can put their names so we know who they are.
Thanks.
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Hi RichK,RichK wrote:Why aren't you use your custom pips on all of the number cards vs. just the corners?
To me it looks like the spade J/Q/K were all shot. Notice the red and black splotches? Is that intentional?
I'm not a fan of the yellow dots around the courts either. I don't know if you can put their names so we know who they are.
Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback.
1. Do you think it would look too busy if all the numbered cards used all custom pips and no standard pips? Or perhaps I can swap the design around, and have the pips under the numbers as 'standard' pips and the pips in the centre of the card as custom?
2. Yeh I thought it would be a nice change to the clean lines/edge style of design to have a 'paint splash' effect. It's not intentional to have them look 'shot'. Happy to revise if it looks odd.
3. We'll upload a v2/3 of the courts a bit later ... one without the yellow dots, and a second variation with a different design to the yellow dots. Names will all be added to the court cards
Thanks again,
Matt
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Hi Matt,MKWB wrote: Hi RichK,
Thanks for the feedback.
1. Do you think it would look too busy if all the numbered cards used all custom pips and no standard pips? Or perhaps I can swap the design around, and have the pips under the numbers as 'standard' pips and the pips in the centre of the card as custom?
2. Yeh I thought it would be a nice change to the clean lines/edge style of design to have a 'paint splash' effect. It's not intentional to have them look 'shot'. Happy to revise if it looks odd.
3. We'll upload a v2/3 of the courts a bit later ... one without the yellow dots, and a second variation with a different design to the yellow dots. Names will all be added to the court cards
Thanks again,
Matt
1. I think standard pips under the numbers and custom in center looks better and shows them off. Why make custom pips only for the corners? How about a mock up?
2. I understand your desire to change the clean line/edge look. Maybe don't use colors that match the black and "dark red"?
3. Looking forward to no dots and variation on dot design. Thanks for name clarification too.
Rich
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Hi All,
Here's another round of changes.
Changes include:
1. Custom pips now made into the central pips on the numbered cards. Font changed and standardised between cards.
2. Fist on the card backing made more lifelike (colour can change)
3. Court cards all complete and in the proper directions, including one-eyed characters and suicide king (stalin with flag across head). Signatures on court cards can be changes from white (with black shading) to a single-colour signature. Font changed and standardised between cards.
4. Variation of court card (gaddafi) with glowing background colour instead of previous designs (yellow dot background or white background).
Let us know what you guys think! Your input has so far been highly valued.
Matt
Here's another round of changes.
Changes include:
1. Custom pips now made into the central pips on the numbered cards. Font changed and standardised between cards.
2. Fist on the card backing made more lifelike (colour can change)
3. Court cards all complete and in the proper directions, including one-eyed characters and suicide king (stalin with flag across head). Signatures on court cards can be changes from white (with black shading) to a single-colour signature. Font changed and standardised between cards.
4. Variation of court card (gaddafi) with glowing background colour instead of previous designs (yellow dot background or white background).
Let us know what you guys think! Your input has so far been highly valued.
Matt
Bruno wrote:Good O, Matt, I like your back, could you ramp it up into a real good lifelike fist ? The present one is good, but only 'represents' the umm, 'sentiment' .... if you will.
TGunitedcardists wrote:The font you've chosen is a poor choice. It's hard to read and does nothing for the design.
I suggest not making all the court cards face the same way. Hopefully it will mimic a deck of cards with some cards with one eye Jacks and cards facing the opposite direction.
RichK wrote:Why aren't you use your custom pips on all of the number cards vs. just the corners?
To me it looks like the spade J/Q/K were all shot. Notice the red and black splotches? Is that intentional?
I'm not a fan of the yellow dots around the courts either. I don't know if you can put their names so we know who they are.
Thanks.
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Like the custom pips on number cards. The name by dictator nice too. Better than alternate gaddafi card.
Looks like your hearts and diamond court pictures are smaller than the club/spade pictures. Can you increase the size?
Need some other color than yellow for back in my opinion. It's not very "dictator-y" if you know what I mean.
Nice changes!
Looks like your hearts and diamond court pictures are smaller than the club/spade pictures. Can you increase the size?
Need some other color than yellow for back in my opinion. It's not very "dictator-y" if you know what I mean.
Nice changes!
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Thanks RichK... Your advice is very much appreciated.
Here's also a new draft of the 4 aces for all to review.
Thanks, Matt
Here's also a new draft of the 4 aces for all to review.
Thanks, Matt
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
And the Fist, maybe down a tad, then expand ?
Focus more on that good Fist ....
Focus more on that good Fist ....
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Thanks Bruno. What in particular do you mean by 'maybe down a tad'?Bruno wrote:And the Fist, maybe down a tad, then expand ?
Focus more on that good Fist ....
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I believe he means less forearm, more fistMKWB wrote:Thanks Bruno. What in particular do you mean by 'maybe down a tad'?Bruno wrote:And the Fist, maybe down a tad, then expand ?
Focus more on that good Fist ....
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Great thanks. Thought it could have also been 'tone it down a tad'. ie - Too fisty lolshermjack wrote:I believe he means less forearm, more fistMKWB wrote:Thanks Bruno. What in particular do you mean by 'maybe down a tad'?Bruno wrote:And the Fist, maybe down a tad, then expand ?
Focus more on that good Fist ....
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Yup, shermjack has it, zackerly ....
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yeeowzers sorry ffolkes !
O, I beg of you your comprehensions,
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But Lèse-majesté, especially >Normans, natch.
Is jarnstill the Ars of the Hors Nebulous ?
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yet laugh at your contempts ....
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Re: The Dictators - Initial design work
Huge improvement overall.
Aces look fantastic.
Unfortunately, the back design doesn't do it for me. The whole concept with the first doesn't feel card like and isn't my cup of tea. I might just be in the minority. A back design with a pattern in the style of the Aces would be fantastic.
Overall, really nice job.
Aces look fantastic.
Unfortunately, the back design doesn't do it for me. The whole concept with the first doesn't feel card like and isn't my cup of tea. I might just be in the minority. A back design with a pattern in the style of the Aces would be fantastic.
Overall, really nice job.
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