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Re: Phonograph 5

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TGunitedcardists wrote:The new tuck works.

I don't understand what you mean by poker back and regular back.

If you want to produce 2 decks, I suggest to choose 2 colors from the deck you've shown.
Agree on all points. Are you talking about a no border back?
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Re: Phonograph 5

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shaitani wrote:My two cents and grain of salt:

Maybe you could release the version 3 back as the regular edition, and the version 2 back as a "poker edition" (similar to the Kings Wild Silver Arrows project), just a thought.
This is what I was thinking about doing having two decks just like the Superior Silver Arrows by JR. One is a poker back borderless, and the other is standard. Same courts maybe just change the colors.
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I like the back on the left. I don't like the back on the right. I would prefer two different colors of the back on the left.
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Re: Phonograph 5

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TGunitedcardists wrote:The new tuck works.

I don't understand what you mean by poker back and regular back.

If you want to produce 2 decks, I suggest to choose 2 colors from the deck you've shown.
lms_jam is referring to my comment above where I felt that the borderless repeating design could be used for a "poker back edition" (similar to Bee casino backs et al), and the other design could be used as a "regular edition" (similar to other bordered backs). KWP used this model for the Silver Arrows project.

The only trick would be to avoid doing multiple colors of each (e.g. each color in both poker and regular backs).
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Re: Phonograph 5

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Hello everyone I appreciate your advice on this deck I think I will just be doing two decks. I want to try and use 2 foil colors on the tuck box, gold yellow and blue on the first deck. Gold yellow and green on the second deck. I have been talking to EPCC about card stock and the tuck box material. What do you guys think about the tuck box for the chameleons from Asi Wind they have a synthetic material. I was also thinking about just going with the diamond finish card stock again but another option could be the Elite finish. Thanks again Landry
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Why 2 decks of just a color swap? In the current KS marketplace getting 1 deck from a first time creator is tough. I'd stick with 1 deck depending on price since 2 will double the cost. Are you asking USPCC for quotes too? They might be less and no slow boat from China to delay delivery.
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RichK wrote:Why 2 decks of just a color swap? In the current KS marketplace getting 1 deck from a first time creator is tough. I'd stick with 1 deck depending on price since 2 will double the cost. Are you asking USPCC for quotes too? They might be less and no slow boat from China to delay delivery.
Rich I'm not sure if you know, but this is my 4th deck. I understand all of what you are saying and I was thinking it would be hard to fund two decks I think I will have the second deck as a stretch goal. I thought about using the USPCC once but don't think I will. As much as I like some of the decks printed by them I don't like their quality control and I have heard about different issues with uncut sheets also. I used Legends Fulfillment for my last 2 decks and it went smooth and quick.
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What's the status of this project?
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Re: Phonograph 5

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Hello everyone, sorry for the radio silence. I have been busy putting together my Kickstarter page. I am also trying to figure out who to use for fulfillment. I was thinking of using Art of Play but they seem a bit high compared to what I sent out recently for my last deck so I just asked for a quote from Gamblers. I will post a link to the KS page for you guys to preview soon. I have decided not to do foil because the design is to complex and I think foil has been getting overuse lately. There is the option to use UV spot color ink, but maybe if I do a second deck in the purple color. The second deck would be a stretch goal and limited to only 1000 if the first deck does well, not that I'm worried it just seem like KS with 2 decks struggle to make it. I also adjusted the colors and now they don't look as washed out. Again your thoughts are much appreciated. Thanks Landry
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second deck as a stretch goal is definitely a safer bet. as for foil and the like, that is also a thing that could be a stretch goal, keeping things as simple as possible for the initial goal and having flashy stuff as stretch goals also helps keep funding goals low.
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Here is the link to preview my Kickstarter page https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14 ... n=2b64f31d I would like to know what you think and I'm not sure when I launch yet. I hate to compete against some good people that are putting out decks soon. I will keep you posted as soon as I figure out when. Thanks again Landry
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lms_jam wrote:Here is the link to preview my Kickstarter page https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14 ... n=2b64f31d I would like to know what you think and I'm not sure when I launch yet. I hate to compete against some good people that are putting out decks soon. I will keep you posted as soon as I figure out when. Thanks again Landry
Any chance for a 4-deck early bird? Because I want 4 decks by the way!
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TGunitedcardists wrote:
lms_jam wrote:Here is the link to preview my Kickstarter page https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14 ... n=2b64f31d I would like to know what you think and I'm not sure when I launch yet. I hate to compete against some good people that are putting out decks soon. I will keep you posted as soon as I figure out when. Thanks again Landry
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I added a 4 deck early bird just for you my friend. I cant wait to get this deck out there.
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Re: Phonograph 5

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Hello everyone I took a short break to relax and think and now I am getting back to work on this deck. I am talking to an artist about working on the tuck box and ace of spades for me. I have some ideas for the ace of spades and I would like to see what you think. I was looking at some old aces and I found this one with the lady and then I thought what if the ace of spades had Tomas Edison in the middle. I don't have any ideas yet for the tuck box just some sample tuck boxes from the time period. I will update you when we start working on the box later but for now we are just working on the ace of spades. Thanks Much Landry
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Here is a rough sketch my artist came up with.
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The problem with drawing people is that there's a fine line between getting it right or not. So far, I would say, "not." The pose is pretty, "meh" with his hands in his pockets. In the drawing, you can see how the edges of the ace aren't really smooth.

In my opinion, a phonograph would be a better choice in the Ace. If you decide that Thomas Edison is what you really want to go with, search google images might give you some more ideas.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch& ... 47&dpr=1.5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think a portrait shot might be a better option...something where it's from just below the shoulders to the top of the head:

http://creativethinking.net/wp-content/ ... EDISON.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or a more dynamic pose like this:

https://media.newsela.com/article_media ... detail.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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This is the picture we are using at the moment. I also was wondering if he would look good I was hoping that because it’s just a rough sketch it will look better when done. I will talk to the artist and see if he can do a different pose.
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If that's the picture you like, I think start just above the first jacket button and make it much more realistic and detailed.

Think Ace with a head rather than Ace with a man with hands in his pockets.

I also don't think the stuff at the bottom of your new ace really add to the design. The ribbons and the banner don't really look good.
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I know the drawing looks rough its just a rough sketch it will look great when it's done. As for the banners the bottom banner is similar to the banner on the original ace of spades. I wanted to tie in some elements but I don't really like the original ace of spades as much as some others. I'm really having trouble trying to come up with something that works with the courts and with the theme. I do appreciate your comments Thanks Landry
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I'll hold on criticizing Edison since the sketch isn't done.

I agree with TG that you dson't need the ribbon since it hides the bottom of the Spade. If you want the ribbon put it below the full Spade since your original AoS has the ribbon below the Ace picture.
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Hello everyone thanks for your feedback I have the finished ace of spades to show you and now it's off to redesign the tuck box.
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I think this ace works better. It fits the overall design of the rest of the deck. Seeing the drawings makes me want to see a drawing of Edison and Tesla trying to strangle each other and/or thumb wrestle each other. (Yeah, I am wierd). I too would like to see a four deck option after looking at your first two decks. I am in.
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I think Ace is alright but...

The face looks fine. I think the ribbon on both the top and bottom feel too straight. I'd like to see a version without the ribbon at all. Move the Phonograph in red down where the the "No. 5" is and combine to make Phonograph No. 5. I think the purple with the lines doesn't work. The ribbon at the bottom right is too close to the spade indicie under the "A". At the top left, it isn't. This makes the card misaligned. I'd like to see and actual phonograph somewhere on the ace. There has to be a way to sneak one in at the bottom!
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