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lms_jam wrote:Hello Everyone I decided to try something else for the card back and I think it turned out nicely. I tried to incorporate elements from the court cards and the design is based off of a similar back deign made by Goodall. I appreciate your feedback very much Thanks.
I think this card back is much better than the previous one! Once small change I might suggest is to change the middle 12 blobs (kind of a strange shape) and replace them with musical notes or just leave them out altogether and keep the lines. I did a quick and dirty photo edit if my explanation sucks.

Overall, this will be a nice deck of cards!
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Bruno thought the old backs were good ....
These .... darker green maybe ?
That skateboard blue just don't fit ....
Needs a classy classic themed colo(u)r scheme ....
:ugdance: 'Phonogram' :ugdance:
Wheres my HMV ?
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Bruno wrote:Bruno thought the old backs were good ....
These .... darker green maybe ?
That skateboard blue just don't fit ....
Needs a classy classic themed colo(u)r scheme ....
:ugdance: 'Phonogram' :ugdance:
Wheres my HMV ?
heheh.
Thanks Bruno I also liked the original card backs but I think the new back goes better with the theme now. Also could you tell me what HMV is maybe i'm missing something but I've never heard that before?
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Here is the updated card back and the possible colors what 2 colors do you guys like best.
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I like all four colors! Choosing 2, blue and green.

I'm officially looking forward to this project and will part with my money.

Can you post the card cards?
Will they have 4 custom/elaborate aces or just the Ace of Spades?
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*sings*
"☆I want my HMV ....☆"
apologies to knopfler.
'His Masters Voice' was a manufacturer of the old horned phonogram disc player, 78rpm, steel needles, early sound reproduction, v. popular .... in its day. Scratches, ticks and hisses included, they were beautiful :D
Hand crafted cabinets bringing the worlds best music into your home.

Ahh .... deep purple and b.r. green, ooh yair ....
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I'm all in for green. Blue is second for me.
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I loves all the colors! All of them!
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Hello everyone I have been trying to work on the tuck box and I have something for the standard deck not sure about it though. I had trouble finding much inspiration I looked at a few boxes from Goodall's decks but most boxes from the time period were very plain what I saw. Let me know what you think Thanks Landry
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Not a big fan of that tuck, but those sides are nice.

Your card design is splendid and I am really looking foward to this.
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Diameter of that horn should encompass the spade edged design, at least.
The small horn would not reproduce the bass line sufficiently ....
Sound Reproduction is the Goal, after all.
Though reproduction is pushing it, 'Projection' would be a more accurate descripto, until the later developement of the (electric)stylus ....
Sound Projection.
Yup, that sounds better.
With the larger Horn.
Tuck is not representative of the gramophone era ....
Is there not a gramophone website to immerse yourself in .
They were all quite richly ornate, even in a superficial way (they were made to fit most markets), to fit into their period.
Hope this makes sense ....
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The tuck seems a little plain, but it's OK. Just OK though. Not enough to stop me from pledging for this one.

You might be overthinking it.

A suggestion: Reuse the phonograph 5 title and add the color phonograph from the joker card. Reuse the card back design for the back of the tuck.
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I appreciate everyone's feedback and I have some new ideas for the tuck. I am wondering if the phonograph needs to be a bit smaller and have a circular frame around it? I still need to put something in the middle of the oval on the logo and the sides I like so they will stay. Not sure if I want the card back on the back of the box It gets overused I think what are your thoughts? Thanks Landry Boy I really like that card back and it does look good on the back of the box as I look at it.
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Keep the card back on the back of the tuck.

What if you had the Phonograph 5 banner on top and Playing Cards banner below the phonograph picture? That way you could put a circle or something behind the phonograph picture.
I liked the tuck flap designs you had before too.
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Only things that I can really critique is that the front seems a bit too empty, a bit too much white space. I agree with Rich that keep the back design as the bac of the tuck and have the previous design or something similar on the tongue flap.

This is honestly looking better by each update. Proof that it's smarter to take time and keep working on the design rather than publish something half done. This deck will be in my TOP 100 for sure.
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Hello hope everyone had a good weekend. I am doing OK I have been working on some more ideas for the tuck box. The card back color has not been decided yet but I think the box is looking much better. What do you think? Thanks again Landry
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This is the best iteration yet. Only minor complaint is the gray color. For me, it's meh. But not enough to stop me from liking what you've shown.

The front of the tuck looks clean and classy. I like it. Back design as well. Final touches and let's get this project rolling.

Edit: Instead of gray, what about just plain white on the tuck? The banners have the black outline, so it should be fine. And all the back designs go well with white.
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My two cents and grain of salt:

I really like the courts.

I'm not a fan of this tuck at all, I think grey is not a great choice for the background color, I feel that the mix of crazy flowery lines clashes with the more detailed drawing of the phonograph, and I personally don't like the sides for this theme as they seem more circus-like than anything.

I also believe the idea of having the oval-framed phonograph actually better suits the version 2 back design (the repeating circle knots), which I actually kind of liked.
Then regarding the back in general, I actually do like this latest iteration of the back as well (I'm going to call it version 3). I think both version 2 and 3 are great designs, I would buy either one personally, but I do think you need to match the back design to the tuck design for it to have a sense of symphony.

Maybe you could release the version 3 back as the regular edition, and the version 2 back as a "poker edition" (similar to the Kings Wild Silver Arrows project), just a thought.

Anyway, I'm loving the work you're doing here, and I feel the input provided by everyone while sometimes contradictory is overall improving your work. Keep it up!
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Hello everyone I did some more work on the tuck box and I really like how it turned out. I like the idea of having two decks one being the poker back and one being the regular edition. Now I just need to work on the other box. Thanks for the advice.
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The new tuck works.

I don't understand what you mean by poker back and regular back.

If you want to produce 2 decks, I suggest to choose 2 colors from the deck you've shown.
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TGunitedcardists wrote:The new tuck works.

I don't understand what you mean by poker back and regular back.

If you want to produce 2 decks, I suggest to choose 2 colors from the deck you've shown.
Agree on all points. Are you talking about a no border back?
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shaitani wrote:My two cents and grain of salt:

Maybe you could release the version 3 back as the regular edition, and the version 2 back as a "poker edition" (similar to the Kings Wild Silver Arrows project), just a thought.
This is what I was thinking about doing having two decks just like the Superior Silver Arrows by JR. One is a poker back borderless, and the other is standard. Same courts maybe just change the colors.
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I like the back on the left. I don't like the back on the right. I would prefer two different colors of the back on the left.
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TGunitedcardists wrote:The new tuck works.

I don't understand what you mean by poker back and regular back.

If you want to produce 2 decks, I suggest to choose 2 colors from the deck you've shown.
lms_jam is referring to my comment above where I felt that the borderless repeating design could be used for a "poker back edition" (similar to Bee casino backs et al), and the other design could be used as a "regular edition" (similar to other bordered backs). KWP used this model for the Silver Arrows project.

The only trick would be to avoid doing multiple colors of each (e.g. each color in both poker and regular backs).
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Hello everyone I appreciate your advice on this deck I think I will just be doing two decks. I want to try and use 2 foil colors on the tuck box, gold yellow and blue on the first deck. Gold yellow and green on the second deck. I have been talking to EPCC about card stock and the tuck box material. What do you guys think about the tuck box for the chameleons from Asi Wind they have a synthetic material. I was also thinking about just going with the diamond finish card stock again but another option could be the Elite finish. Thanks again Landry
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Why 2 decks of just a color swap? In the current KS marketplace getting 1 deck from a first time creator is tough. I'd stick with 1 deck depending on price since 2 will double the cost. Are you asking USPCC for quotes too? They might be less and no slow boat from China to delay delivery.
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RichK wrote:Why 2 decks of just a color swap? In the current KS marketplace getting 1 deck from a first time creator is tough. I'd stick with 1 deck depending on price since 2 will double the cost. Are you asking USPCC for quotes too? They might be less and no slow boat from China to delay delivery.
Rich I'm not sure if you know, but this is my 4th deck. I understand all of what you are saying and I was thinking it would be hard to fund two decks I think I will have the second deck as a stretch goal. I thought about using the USPCC once but don't think I will. As much as I like some of the decks printed by them I don't like their quality control and I have heard about different issues with uncut sheets also. I used Legends Fulfillment for my last 2 decks and it went smooth and quick.
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What's the status of this project?
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Hello everyone, sorry for the radio silence. I have been busy putting together my Kickstarter page. I am also trying to figure out who to use for fulfillment. I was thinking of using Art of Play but they seem a bit high compared to what I sent out recently for my last deck so I just asked for a quote from Gamblers. I will post a link to the KS page for you guys to preview soon. I have decided not to do foil because the design is to complex and I think foil has been getting overuse lately. There is the option to use UV spot color ink, but maybe if I do a second deck in the purple color. The second deck would be a stretch goal and limited to only 1000 if the first deck does well, not that I'm worried it just seem like KS with 2 decks struggle to make it. I also adjusted the colors and now they don't look as washed out. Again your thoughts are much appreciated. Thanks Landry
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second deck as a stretch goal is definitely a safer bet. as for foil and the like, that is also a thing that could be a stretch goal, keeping things as simple as possible for the initial goal and having flashy stuff as stretch goals also helps keep funding goals low.
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