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volantangel wrote:Allow me to first say that it is generally quadtruple-postings are generally frowned upon, it is wiser to be clear on what you want to say before typing the message.

With two weeks (started last week) before your supposed KS launch, and your courts are not vectorized (which is alot of work, definitely more than two weeks for an amatuer, unless thats all you are doing). Its not just about the sketchy lines and what not, its the general artwork of the courts, if thats your basis, you are gonna need a fair bit more work to get these up to scratch to have any chance. If you do not want my honest opinion (i dont mince my words), just ignore everything i say then.

Im of the opinion of moving the entire thread to the drafting board, since this aint quite completed.

I'm sorry about the way I reacted I just got a little mad because it said it was a prototype, so that was not the final product, I do know what you mean and I understand. I appreciate that you actually comment and I would more than happy to hear your suggestion but just analyze what you said before you post it when it comes to critics or reviews about a product.
Just tell what do you think I need to change and I will do it if I agrre that it will make a good change.
P.S. I already have really good graphic designer that will vectorize the courts, and I can put the campaign without having the courts because the campaign takes longer than the illustration process.
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MagikFingerz wrote:Just as a heads up: one of the most common beginner errors in playing card KS projects is that the creators haven't done enough work prior to the campaign, often coupled with an inaccurate prediction of the time frame involved. I don't know if the latter applies to you, but the former certainly does if you only have a prototype 2 weeks before launch. Is there a reason you need to launch that quickly? Taking your time is ALWAYS better than rushing things in these situations, we've seen it time and time again.
I wrote two weeks like an option, it's not official. I didn't understand what you mean by only having a prototype, What's wrong with that? A prototype is just to see what changes you need to do to get the final product done like you really want it. And that's not a new prototype, I had that prototype for a really long time.
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Ok, let's start all over and be friends.
This is a deck I designed when I was fourteen, in the last two months I updated it and fixed some things.
I plan to release it SOON, no official date but like I have almost everything done I would like to put a kickstarter I two or three weeks if possible.
What do you think?
What should I changed?
Keep in mind that the photos are from an old prototype and that is not the final product.
Thank you, please reply so we can get the deck done.
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sprouts1115 wrote:
CContreras wrote:
sprouts1115 wrote:@CContreras - I would let the "Joker" read

J
O
K
E
R

That way it's in the indices. "Playing Card Indices" look it up.

Basically, most ppl read the card top to bottom not left to right.
What I wanted to do was that when you fan the deck you don't see the word "joker" and it looks like an other card.
Don't worry about it; they usually fan the backs not the fronts. I like your back of card. It reminds me an Ace of Swords in the Tarot Cards. I like the square in top left corner amongst all the little circles.
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Your custom pips are good. They are 50% black or red, or is that dark red? And you're using negative white space. Everyone likes custom pips. I do see your putting a phantom border in the courts. That's fine; it's traditional. I might suggest putting some kind of element in the top right corner.
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I do like your JoD. The axe looks cool. All the Jacks should have some kind of weapon. This guy did his research. http://whiteknucklecards.com

You have the start of a good functional deck. Your weakness is art your court cards. I might suggest. You say you're 15? Go out and find yourself a 18 year old art student that just graduated from high school and say something like this "I need some weapons with my Jacks"

I like the cloth transition between swords.
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Should I change their weapons?
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Well, recall what i said about multiple/quadruple postings?
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CContreras wrote:Ok, let's start all over and be friends.
This is a deck I designed when I was fourteen, in the last two months I updated it and fixed some things.
I plan to release it SOON, no official date but like I have almost everything done I would like to put a kickstarter I two or three weeks if possible.
What do you think?
What should I changed?
Keep in mind that the photos are from an old prototype and that is not the final product.
Thank you, please reply so we can get the deck done.
You're absolutely right, a mix of bad wording and misunderstanding is probably what got everything off on the wrong track.

Also, I went ahead and moved this to the Drafting Board, which is where is belongs frankly. Regarding multiple posting, you can quote more than 1 post in the same reply.

My thoughts on the deck: I like the back, that's easily its best feature of what we see currently. For the courts I think they're a bit small and the corner lines are unnecessary IMO, but we really need to see something more finalized to be able to comment on them further. The custom pips are nice, but as has been said about other decks with custom pips the intricacy is lost in the indices and it might be better to have standard pips there. Overall, you're off to a good start :)
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volantangel wrote:Well, recall what i said about multiple/quadruple postings?
What do you mean by that? I speak mainly Spanish, I don't understand perfectly English.
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CContreras wrote:
volantangel wrote:Well, recall what i said about multiple/quadruple postings?
What do you mean by that? I speak mainly Spanish, I don't understand perfectly English.
It means that when you reply, you should put everything in one post rather than make several posts in a row each with 1 quote+reply. When you write a post (unless you used the Quick Reply option) you can scroll down and use the Topic Review (which displays previous posts in a reverse chronological order - latest to earliest) to quote more posts from there.
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MagikFingerz wrote:
CContreras wrote:Ok, let's start all over and be friends.
This is a deck I designed when I was fourteen, in the last two months I updated it and fixed some things.
I plan to release it SOON, no official date but like I have almost everything done I would like to put a kickstarter I two or three weeks if possible.
What do you think?
What should I changed?
Keep in mind that the photos are from an old prototype and that is not the final product.
Thank you, please reply so we can get the deck done.
You're absolutely right, a mix of bad wording and misunderstanding is probably what got everything off on the wrong track.

Also, I went ahead and moved this to the Drafting Board, which is where is belongs frankly. Regarding multiple posting, you can quote more than 1 post in the same reply.

My thoughts on the deck: I like the back, that's easily its best feature of what we see currently. For the courts I think they're a bit small and the corner lines are unnecessary IMO, but we really need to see something more finalized to be able to comment on them further. The custom pips are nice, but as has been said about other decks with custom pips the intricacy is lost in the indices and it might be better to have standard pips there. Overall, you're off to a good start :)
Thank for moving the post, I'm still playing around with the website, I need to learn more about it. BTW I'm in mobile version.

Yeah, I don't like to much those court lines, I may take them off.
Thank you for commenting
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@MagikFingerz - "The custom pips are nice, but as has been said about other decks with custom pips the intricacy is lost in the indices and it might be better to have standard pips there. Overall, you're off to a good start :)"

I agree. His custom pips are good.

@CContrefras - You have thin skin. So, I can't say shit. Good luck. So, lets define your deck. It has custom pips and custom courts with a traditional theme.
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MagikFingerz wrote:
CContreras wrote:
volantangel wrote:Well, recall what i said about multiple/quadruple postings?
What do you mean by that? I speak mainly Spanish, I don't understand perfectly English.
It means that when you reply, you should put everything in one post rather than make several posts in a row each with 1 quote+reply. When you write a post (unless you used the Quick Reply option) you can scroll down and use the Topic Review (which displays previous posts in a reverse chronological order - latest to earliest) to quote more posts from there.
Oh, now I understand, ok thank you
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Any more suggestions anyone?
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you would probably have to come back to us with a more final version of your courts before we can say much else. The only thing is that the level of detailing across the courts can be quite different and makes the deck look inconsistent.
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Tallans Playing Cards are now live on Kickstarter!!!
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2 Black Jokers. No. Right card has a reveal. Could be a 2 or 3 of Diamonds. I don't know. "Joker" is black and horizontal. :ugthink: :uggrin: :uggrin:
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sprouts1115 wrote:2 Black Jokers. No. Right card has a reveal. Could be a 2 or 3 of Diamonds. I don't know. "Joker" is black and horizontal. :ugthink: :uggrin: :uggrin:
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Two black jokers are on purpose so if somebody does magic with the cards, they can make an actual trick instead of having two different jokers wich will obviously let the spectator know that there's somenthing fishy going on with the jokers. Horizontal JOKER word doesn't matters, there is no law that says it has to be vertical and there are only 2 diamonds in the reveal and it says 2 in the indices (with all your respect, there is no reason to think that is a 3 of diamonds, when you only see two Diamomda)
Anyway, thank you for your opinion.
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There's no laws for anything regarding design, but logic dictates that JOKER being vertical would make it much more recognisable when it's in a fan (ie spread out between other cards, like most card players hold their cards). If held tightly enough, only the J would be shown (J as in Jack).

The reveal effectively makes the second joker into a gaff card, so the traditional rule of the two Jokers being distinct from each other does not apply.
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CContreras wrote:
sprouts1115 wrote:2 Black Jokers. No. Right card has a reveal. Could be a 2 or 3 of Diamonds. I don't know. "Joker" is black and horizontal. :ugthink: :uggrin: :uggrin:
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Two black jokers are on purpose so if somebody does magic with the cards, they can make an actual trick instead of having two different jokers wich will obviously let the spectator know that there's somenthing fishy going on with the jokers. Horizontal JOKER word doesn't matters, there is no law that says it has to be vertical and there are only 2 diamonds in the reveal and it says 2 in the indices (with all your respect, there is no reason to think that is a 3 of diamonds, when you only see two Diamomda)
Anyway, thank you for your opinion.
I don't see where it says 2 in the indices. But what I think sprouts meant was that the gaff leaves room for interpretation. It could be a 2 of diamonds or it could be a 3 of diamonds in which the center diamond pip is being cut through by the sword.
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Bikefanatic wrote:That back looks so familiar........ ;) The nice looks nice. The courts don't have to be colored but they can be outlined/highlighted more so they can be more visible. The red pips look dark so they can be more distinguished.

I thought the same thing! So I looked through some decks laying around me and sure enough, Monarchs :)
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@CContreras - What I meant was. You can't use these Jokers in a game or for replacement cards. The Horizontal lines extend out to the cut border. You need a white border in the Jokers to reflect your theme of the rest of your deck.
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usually not a huge fan of line drawn decks, but this is actually really cool looking.
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