To Bicycle or not to Bicycle?

[MagikFingerz]

I think if the Courts are unique and different than the norm, then the Deck should have it's own brand. If the Court designs originate or are influenced from Bicycle Faces then the Deck should be Bicycle branded (Americana, Revision 1...).

I think this is a great non-official guideline to go by, Randy. It makes complete sense to me, anyway

[BMPokerworld]

I think if the Courts are unique and different than the norm, then the Deck should have it's own brand. If the Court designs originate or are influenced from Bicycle Faces then the Deck should be Bicycle branded (Americana, Revision 1...).

I think this is a great non-official guideline to go by, Randy. It makes complete sense to me, anyway

As I said in one of my earlier post in this thread, the creator has to use a design that they think looks the best. If the designer thinks their deck looks best with or without the Bicycle logo, then that is the way they should go. They shouldn't be worried about doing it the cheapest way possible, they should worry about creating a great looking deck.

Thanks!

[RSLancastr]

I would add to that, Mike:

They should be far more concerned about the design of the cards than about the design of the box anyway.

You can have the coolest box ever, but a sucky deck inside is sttill a sucky deck.

[BMPokerworld]

I would add to that, Mike:

They should be far more concerned about the design of the cards than about the design of the box anyway.

You can have the coolest box ever, but a sucky deck inside is sttill a sucky deck.

I 100% agree, but this thread is about the tuck box and not the cards themselves.

Thanks!

[RSLancastr]

True, I just didn't want any designers reading this thread to lose sight of that.

[Collector]

Mike (BMPokerWorld), I am sure the second part of your last message aimed at me is an obvious attempt to outrage. Bold type? Why not red color and capitalized letters? As a quite old member of UC I’ll do you (as a new admin of UC) a favour and I won’t quote that message. I hope you’ll read that my message again and carefully, will really understand its content and than will edit the second part of your appropriate comment – will amend your boorishness. I always read others messages. But I am afraid you don’t. And I understood everything in your message quoted by me very well. But you didn’t understand (or even didn’t want to understand – I don’t know) nothing in my message.

I visit forums to communicate with mature and courteous people who share my hobby. I have my own opinion and respect others opinions. But I don’t see any sense to start and to take part in any wrangling on forums and I don’t understand why it’s necessary to outrage people with a different view.

I haven’t been commenting on new UC for some time. I just read all those “bloody” and belligerent messages aimed at Discourse and some other people, companies. By the way Discourse isn’t Alex – it’s a community of people. And I am sure some of that people are even unfamiliar to UC’s members. Unfortunately all those messages could be summarized in one simple motto “UC is the best of the best– all other around are a pile of shit”. I was really surprised (especially by some old friends on UC), even shocked a little. But happily I saw new messages proposing to stop all that disgraceful very soon. Than I thought “Who-o, I guess it was bad weather and temporary insanity. I glad to see familiar features of old UC in new UC.”

I made several active comments on new UC yesterday. And I have to ask myself if I want to take part in new UC today...

[CBJ]

I think there are some great designs that don't have the Bicycle name... arcane, artifice, rebels, artisan, seasons.

But.. being a Bicycle fan.. I'm also more willing to buy Bikes!


And.. I wish the Ornates would have kept the "Bicycle" branding...











CBJ

[BMPokerworld]

Collector wrote:

I made several active comments on new UC yesterday. And I have to ask myself if I want to take part in new UC today...

You have to do whatever is best for you. Either way, I am sure everyone will understand. Clearly you do not understand my posts. You think, and wrongly by the way I might add, that the issue with Alex is because he runs another forum. If you actually read and understood my posts as you say you do, you would understand my problem with Alex is that he is a liar, a con-artist and a thief who tried to rip me off for $600 worth of cards. There are still people who have not received their vortex decks even though a year has come and gone since he had them in his possession. And the reason is_______________ (Fill in with any of the number of lies Alex has thrown out there). But I guess you drink the Kool Aid over there like some of the other people who blindly follow him no matter what. I actually don't expect you to understand what I am saying, just like you didn't understand when you copied my blog posts and tired to imply they were your own.

Thanks!

EDIT: The bold was so people could see my post was edited and so I wouldn't have to double post. Not for some other reason that you are implying.

[CBJ]

I haven’t been commenting on new UC for some time. I just read all those “bloody” and belligerent messages aimed at Discourse and some other people, companies. By the way Discourse isn’t Alex – it’s a community of people. And I am sure some of that people are even unfamiliar to UC’s members. Unfortunately all those messages could be summarized in one simple motto “UC is the best of the best– all other around are a pile of shit”. I was really surprised (especially by some old friends on UC), even shocked a little. But happily I saw new messages proposing to stop all that disgraceful very soon. Than I thought “Who-o, I guess it was bad weather and temporary insanity. I glad to see familiar features of old UC in new UC.”

Collector, I think you need to do a little more research on the whole Aether/UC problems. I could spend hours writing about all the stuff that has happened.. but I won't.

Aether has recent threads that are negative about UC.. and remain up. I don't think you'll find a thread dedicated to negativity for Aether.

Alex(aether) and I are trying to put things behind us, and move on... but he still hasn't reinstated my PM powers over at Aether.

Anyway, to leave because on occasion someone says something aimed at Aether... well I guess you'll be leaving both forums.. because they do the same thing.

CBJ

[Lotrek]

UPDATE

Well, it ts a bit off topic but the collective wisdom can still contribute...

I was very disappointed to find out that kickstarter hosts only projects from US or UK citizens...
This is not my case so I have to try an alternative way like indiegogo.com
Do you guys believe that I have any chance?

[BMPokerworld]

UPDATE

Well, it ts a bit off topic but the collective wisdom can still contribute...

I was very disappointed to find out that kickstarter hosts only projects from US or UK citizens...
This is not my case so I have to try an alternative way like indiegogo.com
Do you guys believe that I have any chance?

Wow, that is something I did not know. Where are you located? Why not give it a try? If it doesn't work, you can always go the route you did before with your other decks right?

Thanls!

[Lotrek]

Yes, I guess you're right...
It's just that all collectors seem really attached to kickstarter.

I'm in Greece. I hope this is not scaring you!

[BMPokerworld]

Yes, I guess you're right...
It's just that all collectors seem really attached to kickstarter.

I'm in Greece. I hope this is not scaring you!

But there is nothing you can really do. If you are not in one of the 2 countries listed then you don't have much choice. Go for it!!!!

Thanks!

[Soliloquy]

Alternatively, you could partner with someone in the U.S. to get the deck on Kickstarter.

[RandyButterfield]

Alternatively, you could partner with someone in the U.S. to get the deck on Kickstarter.

Hey Soliloquy, good to see you over here on UC as well!

Lotrek, have you tried contacting HouseofPlayingCards.com to see if they're interested? Judging from the Timeless and Butterfly Decks I would guess your new design is high quality as well.

thanks, Randy

[Lotrek]

Thanks Randy,

no, I haven't considered that yet. I haven't made up my mind since I only discovered the citizenship issue two days ago...

[MagikFingerz]

I haven't heard good things about indiegogo, something about the pledged money going to the project creator even if the campaign is unsuccessful. Granted, that was a while ago, but I suspect there's a reason we're not seeing many deck projects on that site.

[DukeBoy]

I haven't heard good things about indiegogo, something about the pledged money going to the project creator even if the campaign is unsuccessful. Granted, that was a while ago, but I suspect there's a reason we're not seeing many deck projects on that site.

you can do both options now partial money, and all or nothing.

[Lotrek]

You' re right Tom, but there is an option (I don't know if this was added recently) to start a campaign just like in kickstarter. If it's unsuccessful, the backers are not charged. Needless to say that if I go this way I'll choose this plan.


Ooops! Magicfingerz , I didn't see your post.

[MagikFingerz]

Ah, ok. Then I guess it's all the same.

[Lotrek]

Ah, ok. Then I guess it's all the same.

Yes, only backers are fewer in indygogo

[MagikFingerz]

Ah, ok. Then I guess it's all the same.

Yes, only backers are fewer in indygogo

True, it would get less exposure. And we've even seen good designs go unsuccessful on kickstarter, so I'd think anyone's chances on indiegogo are quite slim. Unfortunately

[CBJ]

Ah, ok. Then I guess it's all the same.

Yes, only backers are fewer in indygogo

There's a new crowdfunding site launching soon... http://jumpstartcity.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure if that will be an option for you

CBJ

[Lotrek]

Thanks CBJ,

Seems interesting. I hope they'll be open worldwide.
But... aah!
The real thing is currently happening in kikstarter...

[Lotrek]

Thank you all for your answers. Stay tuned, in a few days I'll post some images of my deck.

[RSLancastr]

And the box too?

[Lotrek]

The box first!

[RSLancastr]

Good!

[Lotrek]

I'm pleased to announce that you can see the deck in discussion here:

http://unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1687" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RSLancastr]

Well, I can see why you would not want the Bike logo with that box design (and I know nothing about Japanese aesthetics).

I have never designed an entire deck, so I'm talking a bit out of my lower torso here, but isn't it a bit...backwards to design the box before you design the cards?

That being said, I'm anxious to see the courts!

-RSL