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Re: Sishou Deck Design - LAUNCHING on 13.1.13

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absolutely stunning! i cant say enough good things about this deck, this is an automatic pledge for me the second it goes on kickstarter :D

the ONLY thing id suggest, is metallic gold inks for the beige(or is it tan?) so it pops out red/blue and gold. and i would stick with the way you made your pips originally, not the one you posted (jack of hearts) since its waay too far from the corner and the closer to the corner the better, since it shows beatifully in fans... and since you made that border, even reverse fans will look just as cool!

if you did this on your free time, man i have a feeling your going to be doing great things :D
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darkinertia wrote:absolutely stunning! i cant say enough good things about this deck, this is an automatic pledge for me the second it goes on kickstarter :D

the ONLY thing id suggest, is metallic gold inks for the beige(or is it tan?) so it pops out red/blue and gold. and i would stick with the way you made your pips originally, not the one you posted (jack of hearts) since its waay too far from the corner and the closer to the corner the better, since it shows beatifully in fans... and since you made that border, even reverse fans will look just as cool!

if you did this on your free time, man i have a feeling your going to be doing great things :D
Hey thanks for the reply, the first post was actually updated version of the pips.
After a lot of feed back the deck has changed dramatically since the first designs thanks to you all!

This project will be launched on 13 or a day before so stay tuned =D
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Re: Sishou Deck Design - LAUNCHING on 13.1.13

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alvinhy wrote: Hey thanks for the reply, the first post was actually updated version of the pips.
After a lot of feed back the deck has changed dramatically since the first designs thanks to you all!

This project will be launched on 13 or a day before so stay tuned =D
Sweet, I really hope you have some good levels for us International backers ;)
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I think court cards need more work. The Chinese motifs seem just thrown on the clothes. They should be more functional I believe.
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Lotrek wrote:I think court cards need more work. The Chinese motifs seem just thrown on the clothes. They should be more functional I believe.
I don't think, remember the simple deck on KS....
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I don't mean they should be more elaborate. They could be even simpler. They just seem to me a bit thrown there. But all these things are after all, a matter of taste! 8-)
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ah I will go back and review those designs. But the concept comes from the actual gowns the emperor wears.
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yeah i think it looks great as it is

btw, is the main ace card with the design going to be the ace of hearts or spades? or will all ace cards have the big design?
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darkinertia wrote:yeah i think it looks great as it is

btw, is the main ace card with the design going to be the ace of hearts or spades? or will all ace cards have the big design?
Hey, the Aces will have their own beast to their design.
You can check out more sneak peaks from my facebook page or twitter :)

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Do you have a new Kickstarter date?
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I am not able to see any of the pics other than the boxes in the first post. everything else is coming up red x's (file not found).
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RSLancastr wrote:I am not able to see any of the pics other than the boxes in the first post. everything else is coming up red x's (file not found).
Thats really weird, hmmm you can see the most updated pics on my facebook if you follow me :)

And regarding kickstarter, Im not sure when the new date is =S Still finishing off the designs.
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Alvin, I just saw the photos in your FB album - nice!

I'm not yet on Kickstarter so can't help you there, but I wish you the best of luck with this deck!

It's nice to see a deck with a Chinese theme which looks (to my Western eyes, anyway) authentic, and not like another faux-Chinese design of Western origin, like the art on a menu at a fast-food "Chinese" restaurant, if you know what I mean.

In case that wasn't clear, it was a compliment.

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RSLancastr wrote:Alvin, I just saw the photos in your FB album - nice!

I'm not yet on Kickstarter so can't help you there, but I wish you the best of luck with this deck!

It's nice to see a deck with a Chinese theme which looks (to my Western eyes, anyway) authentic, and not like another faux-Chinese design of Western origin, like the art on a menu at a fast-food "Chinese" restaurant, if you know what I mean.

In case that wasn't clear, it was a compliment.

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haha thanks for that :D ill keep you guys updated on facebook.
As for it being authentic, its hard not to be because im chinese myself.
it wwould be hard to fake other cultures for me too :P
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Hey, Alvin! :D

Since you are Chinese, perhaps you can answer something for me:

I have seen decks of playing cards made in China (to be sold in America) which have the word "PUKE" printed on the front of the box.

This startled me the first time I saw it (in English, the word "puke" is slang for "vomit"), but after I saw it many times I thought perhaps "PUKE" was an approximation of how a speaker of Chinese would pronounce the English word "poker".

Do you know if that is what it is?

Sorry to derail your thread/topic.
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RSLancastr wrote:Hey, Alvin! :D

Since you are Chinese, perhaps you can answer something for me:

I have seen decks of playing cards made in China (to be sold in America) which have the word "PUKE" printed on the front of the box.

This startled me the first time I saw it (in English, the word "puke" is slang for "vomit"), but after I saw it many times I thought perhaps "PUKE" was an approximation of how a speaker of Chinese would pronounce the English word "poker".

Do you know if that is what it is?

Sorry to derail your thread/topic.
Hey Bob,

I believe that its spelt as Pu Ke, which is kind of a direct translation of poker ( poker => Pu Ke, pronounced as puu ker)

hahah not really puke(vomit), kind of a bad coincidence :lol: :lol:
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Thanks, volant!

The first time I saw it was on a box that was on a seller's table at a swapmeet. Intrigued because the box looked to be the right size to hold a deck of cards, I asked the seller "How much for the little box of puke"?

He (not very politely) said "it's a box of playing cards!!"

I opened it and found it was yet another cheaply-printed standard deck.
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Haha funny lil story, your welcome bob :D
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haha thats hilarious and volentangel is correct. Pu Ke is the mandarin pinyin (dialect) that they use for poker cards. The full world is Pu Ke Pai ( poker playing cards)

Interesting but funny lol
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alvinhy wrote:Pu Ke is the mandarin pinyin (dialect) that they use for poker cards. The full world is Pu Ke Pai ( poker playing cards)
Thanks, Alvin!

"Pai" as in "Pai Gao" (I think that is how it is spelled), the gambling game which uses domino-like tiles instead of playing cards)?
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RSLancastr wrote:
alvinhy wrote:Pu Ke is the mandarin pinyin (dialect) that they use for poker cards. The full world is Pu Ke Pai ( poker playing cards)
Thanks, Alvin!

"Pai" as in "Pai Gao" (I think that is how it is spelled), the gambling game which uses domino-like tiles instead of playing cards)?
You are correct, the correct pin yin for that is "Pai Gou".
However if you want the cantonese dialect which is used in Hong Kong it is pronounced as "Pai Gau"

I never get how to play that game :P
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I never even tried to play it. The people playing it in Vegas tend to be serious, "high roller" players, and would likely not have much patience with a "newbie" holding up the game.

But I enjoyed watching the dealer shuffle and deal the tiles. a thing of beauty when done well.
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I play it all the time in Vegas or other places. Simple poker...You get 2 hands one of 5 cards and one of 2 cards. You make the best hands possible with your 7 cards and both your 5 cards hand and 2 cards hand have to beat the dealer for you to win. If only one of your hands beat the dealer it is a push which is percentage wise what usually happens. Your 2 cards hand cannot be higher than your 5 card hand meaning if you get a pair of aces and kings in your 7 cards, you cannot use the Aces as your 2 card hand
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badpete69 wrote:I play it all the time in Vegas or other places. Simple poker...You get 2 hands one of 5 cards and one of 2 cards. You make the best hands possible with your 7 cards and both your 5 cards hand and 2 cards hand have to beat the dealer for you to win. If only one of your hands beat the dealer it is a push which is percentage wise what usually happens. Your 2 cards hand cannot be higher than your 5 card hand meaning if you get a pair of aces and kings in your 7 cards, you cannot use the Aces as your 2 card hand
That's PaiGow poker. The game Bob is referring to is the version played with tiles. You get 4 tiles with which to make two hands. He's also right in that watching it dealt (and played) can be very entertaining.

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The basics of the games are the same when played with tiles To quote Wiki The key element of pai gow strategy is to present the optimal front hand and rear hand given four tiles dealt to the player. There are three ways to arrange four tiles into two hands, though practically some combinations may be the same.

Anyway I think we have derailed this thread enough hehehehe...back to Sishou
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This "approximating words from another language" (there's probably a technical term for it) works both ways.

For example, I have the Bicycle "Gong XI FA CAI" playing cards ("Gong XI FA CAI" being an English approximation of a phrase in Chinese).

I also have an older deck (I forget the maker) titled "Gong Hee Fot Choy" (an older approximation of - apparently - the same phrase, using more of a "laymen's spelling").

ETA:

Thanks to our friend Google, here is a page about the "Gong Hee Fot Choy" deck (or one like it):

http://www.guntheranderson.com/cards/feb97/gong.htm
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badpete69 wrote:The basics of the games are the same when played with tiles To quote Wiki The key element of pai gow strategy is to present the optimal front hand and rear hand given four tiles dealt to the player. There are three ways to arrange four tiles into two hands, though practically some combinations may be the same.

Anyway I think we have derailed this thread enough hehehehe...back to Sishou

Well one more slight derail if I can. I actually wrote a Windows application called PaiGow Poker back in the 90s and released it as shareware as the first ever Windows version of PaiGow Poker. It was cool when people actually voluntarily sent me money because they liked my game. The hardest part was teaching the computer how to correctly set a hand, especially with a joker. Ultimately wound up licensing it to a company that then sold it in Wal-Mart for $9.99 (I got $0.50 per copy). Unfortunately never sold enough (according to them) to earn out my advance. It was fun to see it in a store though!
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Strag, I'll PM you rather than derail the derail further. :D

So, Alvin: Any more Sishou pics?

You said that there are four legendary beasts in China.

Obviously, there are more than that.

What exactly connects the four you have chosen for this deck?

Is "Sishou" the name for the four beasts as well as the name of the deck?

(Sorry if you have already answered these questions above).

And, most important:

ANY MORE PICS??
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RSLancastr wrote:Strag, I'll PM you rather than derail the derail further. :D

So, Alvin: Any more Sishou pics?

You said that there are four legendary beasts in China.

Obviously, there are more than that.

What exactly connects the four you have chosen for this deck?

Is "Sishou" the name for the four beasts as well as the name of the deck?

(Sorry if you have already answered these questions above).

And, most important:

ANY MORE PICS??
The four legendary beasts are most famous. The dragon phoenix tiger and tortoise. Si Shou means four beast and each beast will have their own suit. If you look at the pictures, hearts is phoenix, Spades is dagon etcc....

Ill show u one of the latest king of spades picture =D

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Once again Alvin, all I'm seeing is a "not found" Red X

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