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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Hey!

An updated JoS as flashcards was right, it looked a little like the skull had glasses on. Hopefully its tweaked enough to not look like that now ;)

Let me know if you guys spot anything else, if not, I'll post the the Queens.

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Thanks for this, I'll PM you regarding naming one ;)

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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Hey!

Below I have the Queens to show from Vol 2 of the Sisterhood of Blood.

Once again please feel free to go to town on the layouts, and constructive feedback will be rewarded if it develops the design, with naming of the vampires :ugdance:

Thank you!

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In the QoD, instead of it looking like the figure has one arm visible like the others, it looks like she has two arms. The one on the left looks like it is coming from her shoulder but is shortened; like it is missing its upper arm. Makes it look like she has broad shoulders and a deformed left arm. Maybe you could angle her more and put her in profile like the other figures and get rid of the (disturbing) illusion. It feels like there is too much white space so perhaps placing it at an angle with solve that issue as well.

In the QoC, I can't quite figure out what is holding the flower. It looks almost like a sock puppet with out features- in other words, a sock with a hand in it. Dammit, now I can't unsee it.

On the other hand (no pun intended), the QoH is executed quite nicely. The two arms blending into one creates a pleasant optical illusion that takes a while to figure out.

I also like the way the suits are worked into the figures as tattoos or bracelet charms. Makes for a subtle Easter egg kind of like the bunny head on the Playboy covers. Over all I really like what I've seen and I think the red border is absolutely the right choice.
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Hey!

Updated QoD and QoC to take a look at. I was going to say that the QoD was ok, but the more I looked at it, the more I questioned it so hopefully this fits better now. The QoC now no longer works for Jim Henson :lol:

Thanks once again, please feel free to give feedback on the Jacks and Queens. Constructive feedback will be rewarded if it develops the design, with naming of the vampires :D

Kings will be posted soon

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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I don't know. The QoD still looks odd to me. Anybody else have an opinion?
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I love your design, Kirk, congratulations!

Regarding the red or not... Why not keeping the same beige border (so indexes won't be a problem) and try the red background "inside"?

Just an idea.. Anyway, I will love the deck whatever you decide to do...

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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I say splatter the borders with red, instead of just be fully red, like a bloody frame. Andaybe when you fan the deck it spells soemthing out.

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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Hey!

As suggested by MAX
max wrote:Why not keeping the same beige border and try the red background "inside"?
See below the results, I really like it, what do you guys think? Its a small step away from Volume 1 though its enough to be different and set it aside, but is it too much red too close to the character?

Thanks Max, I'll PM you regarding naming a card :D

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pablo wrote:I say splatter the borders with red
I did try it while testing Max's idea but it mixed too much with the pips and I couldn't get it to work, Thanks for the idea though :)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Both look good - though I really like red on the inside! It allows skin (hands/faces) to stand out and makes the centre feel more complete. Nice :)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I have to agree. I really liked the red border but I have to admit, the red inside does look better. Perhaps a deck of each with different color backs? Great, I'm already costing myself more money on this project and it's not even done yet ;)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I feel like you may be talking yourself into two editions of the deck!

They both look awesome!
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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montecarlojoe wrote:I feel like you may be talking yourself into two editions of the deck!

They both look awesome!
I know *I* would back for both. :)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I agree that the red inside makes the courts pop more, but I also feel like it just "moves" the white space to the borders, which makes the entire card seem smaller. The red border has the opposite effect, which is why I like it more.

Red borders is also a feature less often used, making the deck more unique. My vote still goes to red borders :)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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How about making the color of the inner frame of the red-bordered cards same as the white-bordered ones? I think that the inner frame of the red-bordered cards is too subtle as compared to the white-bordered ones.

My vote is for the red-bordered one.
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Tom has a good point. You should do both.
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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NineLives wrote:I really like red on the inside!
flashcards wrote:red inside does look better
My thoughts too 8-)
MagikFingerz wrote:My vote still goes to red borders :)
Kage X wrote:My vote is for the red-bordered one.
NNOOO! haha. I really hoped everyone would side with one design to make this easy, I totally hear what you're saying, it does make it more unique.


OK - As much as I would love to have faith that I could do both versions, I don't think its going to be possible. Coven had the extra traffic from Exploding Kittens going crazy with new people coming to kickstater, which helped me massively with referral backers. Vol 1 of the Sisterhood of Blood crawled up to the finish line, collapsed and gently placed its hand over the line, for which I'm truly grateful for as I really like this deck. Even the interaction with the posts of this tread seem muted compared to before, so I think I'd be pushing my luck if I tried for two decks at once.

Having said that, this doesn't help with making a decision over which version to go with. I love the inner red, it solves the outer pip problem and it brings it closer to vol 1 but still maintaining a clear difference. BUT! The red border version is different to what is already out there, though would this alienate it?

I think unless I can be convinced otherwise I'll be going with the inner red version. Last chance to fight the red border corner :lol:

I'll post the Kings over the weekend, thanks for all your input guys, I really appreciate it.
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I tend to prefer the red outside ... and also unlike everyone else, I tend to prefer the single-colour borderless index pips, though of course I know that achieving a good colour balance so that the contrast is good for both the black and the light-coloured indices would be more difficult. It just looks a more elegant solution to me if you can get it to work. Anyway, go with what you feel, I think.
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I know it's more work.... but, to get a better idea, seeing more cards might help:
Two court cards (say one diamond and one spade) + two number cards (again say diamond and spade) - and use these to show a comparison between the two versions ...

There's always going to be opposite ideas and tastes, so in the end I think you should absolutely go with the one that speaks to you the most :)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Thanks for the input guys!

Final decision, I'll go with the red on the inside. I really like the red borders but my gut feeling is to go with the red on the inside. Fingers crossed its the right choice :lol:
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Kings coming next :)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Hey!

Here are the Kings, there are a couple of things that jump out at me but I'll let you guys take the glory.

As always please feel free to go to town on the layouts, and constructive feedback will be rewarded if it develops the design, with naming of the vampires

Thanks 8-)

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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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They are fricking amazing. It honestly don't see anything wrong with them.

As for the red debate, I would like to see an option of the red being on the edge, BUT very thin. Kinda like Lorenzo's Le Chat Rouge, that one had a thin black border on the face of the cards. I am not saying that it is the best absolutely but I would like to see a design of it as an option.
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Räpylätassu wrote: I would like to see an option of the red being on the edge.
Thanks for the suggestion, I've given it a try but it looks a little overkill to me :( Worth a go though ;)

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Soooo, is everyone a little bored of the Sisterhood design and theme? The forum is very quiet. I'm not seeking attention :ugdance: its just that if you guys really aren't into it, maybe the other backers of Vol 1 will feel the same? I'd much rather put my time into something you guys are excited about than produce a deck that isn't that interesting :D

PS - not looking for an ego stroke, I just want to be sure its what the card community are looking for. :lol:
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I actually feel like you've received a reasonable amount of replies by this forum's standards :P

To be honest, one of the things I like about this place is that we don't have people that feel the need to comment on absolutely everything, the members here seem to only comment on things they have an interest in or feel like they can contribute to. I'm sure there's plenty who are interested in this but just haven't seen a need to mention anything specific. Remember, there's a lot more people who vote in elections than are politically active ;)
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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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Kirk,

Me want Vol. 2 with red border.

Me want Vol. 3 with red interior.

Or visa versa.

Me not bored.

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Re: Vol 2. Sisterhood of Blood - 52 Ravens

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I missed the first one, but looking through this thread at the artwork, there is no chance I miss this one :)
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I think this is a legitimate successor to the first deck. It is different enough to be interesting rather than being a recolor. The quality of the art and concept makes it stand above the usual vampire themed decks which have been done to death (no pun intended). I think the two will make a nice set- bookends if you will. However, as much as I would like to see both border combinations, it is probably best to stick to just one, although a stretch goal might work. Even though I dislike the concept, you might make one a super-limited, on-of-a-kind, never to be printed again, super-cool, magnificent, got-to-have-it- to-complete-the-set, edition. You can print a couple hundred at MPC for next to nothing and then charge $35 a pop for them. That might build some interest and get you over your goal more easily. Of course, I won't be buying any. In fact, I feel dirty for even suggesting it. In any case, after this campaign, it might be a good idea to move on to a different type of project, which I'm sure you are already planning.
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Thanks guys. Like I said, I wasn't fishing for an ego boost, I just felt that the usual critical eye of UC was a little quiet and wanted to make sure it wasn't a lack of enthusiasm for more of the sisterhood theme. I working on the back still, I'm not happy with it as it is, but will crack on over the weekend.
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Good point, maybe it means I've found my groove for producing artwork, people are happy with what I have to offer...

Thanks for all the support everyone, if you've commented and want to name a vampire, feel free to PM me, pending terms and conditions, and my final approval as I'll be writing a book for Vol 2 character too ;)
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Kings are looking great - and going with your gut feeling when deciding on red inside or outside is exactly what you should be doing....

Number cards, curious to see how you plan to do them? Just looking at the red inside on courts, I'd like to see how numbers would look on the red panel (with black vs off-white pips on top). I know it's not standard to 'frame' number cards, though to place them straight on the off-white background would mean either making a border for each 'white' diamond/heart OR changing the pip colour to red (thus loosing some of the visual language from the courts)... I'm sure you've already thought out and planned these cards, just throwing in my 2c and curiosity :) - Looking forward to see the back as well!
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